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I wonder when there will be cloud co-ops?

by asimpletune 5y ago

pjkundert 5y ago
Now: https://holo.host https://holo.host Ready for testing and pre-release R&D.
- vgel 5y ago
  IMO, an ideal co-op cloud host wouldn't have a bunch of complicated p2p junk. Just a good ol' datacenter and people to operate it, with the cost and governance shared by the organizations running workloads on it.
- 4ggr0 5y ago
  What's your connection to Holo? You seem to mention them a lot.
  - pjkundert 5y ago
    Yes, I do; sorry about that! They seem relevant, a lot... I was on the development team for a couple years; now, I'm independently developing some technology on the platform. I'll announce it soon, I hope. With the recent AWS outages, and systematic de-platforming of some legal businesses, there seems to be a growing realization that dependence on centralized hosting platforms is ... dangerous. Holo / Holochain seems to provide a unique solution to some of these problems.
    - jatone 5y ago
      pure FUD. bugs happen decentralized systems can be even more problematic to resolve issues in due to their decentralized nature and the usual requirement that fixes be deployed system wide.
    - 4ggr0 5y ago
      Sounds interesting, and thanks for disclosing your connection to Holo! :)
helpfulmandrill 5y ago
Would be much better than getting locked in to a company you have no control over.
praptak 5y ago
The other direction is to use the commercial clouds but aggressively defending their status as a commodity. Have VMs at multiple providers and move your load between them as needed.
streamofdigits 5y ago
This. Turn the "cloud is somebody else's computer" on its head and own part that computer. Why not "own" AWS, GCP, Azure etc.? Because you can't. They are part of conglomerates that come with a moral baggage that is too heavy for some. ps. No "hyperscaling" ability required. The idea that business activity is either complete dominance or death is part of that unfit-for-purpose mentality.
- Layke1123 5y ago
  I do actually own shares in some of those companies. That's kind of the point. You can own the internet, and that's before even "Web 3".
rambambram 5y ago
Cool idea, then we can call it 'the internet' again.
- streamofdigits 5y ago
  its not exactly the same. there are probably significant efficiencies (energy, security etc) in provisioning and sharing "cloud" hardware in reasonably large chunks.
  - rambambram 5y ago
    You are right, but I saw some striking similarities, and needed to joke about it.

I wonder when there will be cloud co-ops?

pjkundert 5y ago

Now: https://holo.host https://holo.host Ready for testing and pre-release R&D.

vgel 5y ago
IMO, an ideal co-op cloud host wouldn't have a bunch of complicated p2p junk. Just a good ol' datacenter and people to operate it, with the cost and governance shared by the organizations running workloads on it.
4ggr0 5y ago
What's your connection to Holo? You seem to mention them a lot.
- pjkundert 5y ago
  Yes, I do; sorry about that! They seem relevant, a lot... I was on the development team for a couple years; now, I'm independently developing some technology on the platform. I'll announce it soon, I hope. With the recent AWS outages, and systematic de-platforming of some legal businesses, there seems to be a growing realization that dependence on centralized hosting platforms is ... dangerous. Holo / Holochain seems to provide a unique solution to some of these problems.
  - jatone 5y ago
    pure FUD. bugs happen decentralized systems can be even more problematic to resolve issues in due to their decentralized nature and the usual requirement that fixes be deployed system wide.
  - 4ggr0 5y ago
    Sounds interesting, and thanks for disclosing your connection to Holo! :)

helpfulmandrill 5y ago

Would be much better than getting locked in to a company you have no control over.

praptak 5y ago

The other direction is to use the commercial clouds but aggressively defending their status as a commodity. Have VMs at multiple providers and move your load between them as needed.

streamofdigits 5y ago

This. Turn the "cloud is somebody else's computer" on its head and own part that computer. Why not "own" AWS, GCP, Azure etc.? Because you can't. They are part of conglomerates that come with a moral baggage that is too heavy for some. ps. No "hyperscaling" ability required. The idea that business activity is either complete dominance or death is part of that unfit-for-purpose mentality.

Layke1123 5y ago
I do actually own shares in some of those companies. That's kind of the point. You can own the internet, and that's before even "Web 3".

rambambram 5y ago

Cool idea, then we can call it 'the internet' again.

streamofdigits 5y ago
its not exactly the same. there are probably significant efficiencies (energy, security etc) in provisioning and sharing "cloud" hardware in reasonably large chunks.
- rambambram 5y ago
  You are right, but I saw some striking similarities, and needed to joke about it.