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They could be referring to iPhone, couldn't they? Which to my knowledge doesn't have Time Machine, a macOS feature. I think it's best not to say something is a

They could be referring to iPhone, couldn't they? Which to my knowledge doesn't have Time Machine, a macOS feature. I think it's best not to say something is a "lie" unless you have a strong basis for it, let alone asserting it is a "outright lie". A lie is an intentionally false statement. It involves an intention to deceive. It's highly unlikely that someone on Hacker News would set out to intentionally mislead people who are familiar with the subject-matter and who know how to fact check. At best they are "wrong", "misinformed" or "mistaken". Although, as said in the first paragraph, I suspect you're actually at cross-purposes with each other.

ceejayoz 5y ago
Others in the thread have shown the corresponding iOS local backup options. I don’t see much difference between “confidently stated but provably wrong in seconds via Google” and a lie.
- hn_throwaway_69 5y ago
  That's not what you said. You claimed it was a lie referring to Time Machine, not local backup options on iOS. macOS backup solutions are pretty much irrelevant, because it's obvious you can backup macOS using any tool you like, it's a desktop operating system where the user can run binaries with administrator privileges, unlike iOS. The compelling inference is they were talking about iOS, making Time Machine irrelevant to the discussion. And there is a significant difference between offering an ill-informed opinion and lying. One can be reckless or negligent, but not a liar. To be a liar, they need to positively know they are wrong but post it anyway. I was hoping you'd say it was simply used for rhetorical effect. I must say, I'm a little disappointed you're maintaining your position. Sometimes, it's best just to assume good faith.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > You claimed it was a lie referring to Time Machine, not local backup options on iOS. Like I said, others had already covered the iOS side of things. There are no Apple devices for which the statement is true, and the certainty of "Apple conveniently disallows people from making local backups encrypted with your own key" makes me quite comfortable considering it to be a dishonest statement rather than merely ignorant. Similar to "vaccines don't work"; whether it's out of ignorance or maliciousness, it's a lie. (Further complicating matters: telling lies even results in believing them to be truthful over time; it's still a lie! https://www.brandeis.edu/now/2018/november/lying-old-gutchess.html https://www.brandeis.edu/now/2018/november/lying-old-gutches...)

ceejayoz 5y ago

Others in the thread have shown the corresponding iOS local backup options. I don’t see much difference between “confidently stated but provably wrong in seconds via Google” and a lie.

hn_throwaway_69 5y ago
That's not what you said. You claimed it was a lie referring to Time Machine, not local backup options on iOS. macOS backup solutions are pretty much irrelevant, because it's obvious you can backup macOS using any tool you like, it's a desktop operating system where the user can run binaries with administrator privileges, unlike iOS. The compelling inference is they were talking about iOS, making Time Machine irrelevant to the discussion. And there is a significant difference between offering an ill-informed opinion and lying. One can be reckless or negligent, but not a liar. To be a liar, they need to positively know they are wrong but post it anyway. I was hoping you'd say it was simply used for rhetorical effect. I must say, I'm a little disappointed you're maintaining your position. Sometimes, it's best just to assume good faith.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > You claimed it was a lie referring to Time Machine, not local backup options on iOS. Like I said, others had already covered the iOS side of things. There are no Apple devices for which the statement is true, and the certainty of "Apple conveniently disallows people from making local backups encrypted with your own key" makes me quite comfortable considering it to be a dishonest statement rather than merely ignorant. Similar to "vaccines don't work"; whether it's out of ignorance or maliciousness, it's a lie. (Further complicating matters: telling lies even results in believing them to be truthful over time; it's still a lie! https://www.brandeis.edu/now/2018/november/lying-old-gutchess.html https://www.brandeis.edu/now/2018/november/lying-old-gutches...)