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> I would just give an outrageous quote if I wanted to get rid of them. Also why it’s important to have contracts. Yeah, I don't get this either. Isn't putting

> I would just give an outrageous quote if I wanted to get rid of them. Also why it’s important to have contracts. Yeah, I don't get this either. Isn't putting together a proposal with a fake high price for someone you don't want to work really awkward and a waste of time for everyone? It's like a power-trip meme in freelancer forums. "I don't think I'm a good fit for this project" is fine. Even when there's nothing wrong with the client, variations of this answer are fine when you're too busy, the deadline is too tight, they're using unfamiliar tech, it sounds risky, they want you to work in a way you don't want to work etc.

tut-urut-utut 5y ago
> Yeah, I don't get this either. Isn't putting together a proposal with a fake high price for someone you don't want to work really awkward and a waste of time for everyone? It's like a power-trip meme in freelancer forums. It doesn't mean the price is fake. If your client is difficult, you know you'll have more phone calls, spend more time on interacting with them than with the code, would need to give them more support, haggle on the requirements and changer requests. All that cost time. And since I don't like to do those things, my rate for "having a call with the client" is higher than my rate for "developing the feature". Of course, clients doesn't need to know my internal pricing, so he would either get my "x2-3 normal hourly rate" or "xX normal project price" depending on the type of project.
- seanwilson 5y ago
  I'm talking about cases where you don't want to work for them at all. It's very sensible and normal to quote more if you expect higher admin time and other complications that carry risk e.g. many stakeholders to get agreement from.
  - tut-urut-utut 5y ago
    > I'm talking about cases where you don't want to work for them at all. Given enough money, I would be thrilled to work for the worst client I can imagine. There are very few cases where I would flat out refuse to work with a client, regardless of money. And in those cases, I would be scared to death to just say: “sorry, I feel it would be better not to work for you, although you want it”.

tut-urut-utut 5y ago

> Yeah, I don't get this either. Isn't putting together a proposal with a fake high price for someone you don't want to work really awkward and a waste of time for everyone? It's like a power-trip meme in freelancer forums. It doesn't mean the price is fake. If your client is difficult, you know you'll have more phone calls, spend more time on interacting with them than with the code, would need to give them more support, haggle on the requirements and changer requests. All that cost time. And since I don't like to do those things, my rate for "having a call with the client" is higher than my rate for "developing the feature". Of course, clients doesn't need to know my internal pricing, so he would either get my "x2-3 normal hourly rate" or "xX normal project price" depending on the type of project.

seanwilson 5y ago
I'm talking about cases where you don't want to work for them at all. It's very sensible and normal to quote more if you expect higher admin time and other complications that carry risk e.g. many stakeholders to get agreement from.
- tut-urut-utut 5y ago
  > I'm talking about cases where you don't want to work for them at all. Given enough money, I would be thrilled to work for the worst client I can imagine. There are very few cases where I would flat out refuse to work with a client, regardless of money. And in those cases, I would be scared to death to just say: “sorry, I feel it would be better not to work for you, although you want it”.