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That is why locked devices without ability to have root access and full control over them is a problem. At some point they simply do not provide software while

That is why locked devices without ability to have root access and full control over them is a problem. At some point they simply do not provide software while blocking you from providing own software. Perhaps it's time to question this practice and discuss the issue with potentially making such devices illegal? At least when company doesn't provide software? Shouldn't then Apple made be legally obligated to provide root access for the devices it no longer supports? Otherwise it's what? You buy device then it's not functioning anymore just because they decide so. Doesn't it look like some kind of a fraud/scam ? How it's called then? I mean if one owns computer/iphone and cannot install own software there since those devices are locked and Apple do not provide their software with security updates what an owner of the machine should do?

GeekyBear 5y ago
> That is why locked devices without ability to have root access and full control over them is a problem. At some point they simply do not provide software while blocking you from providing own software. All of the Macs stuck at High Sierra can also run Windows or Linux.
- lovelyviking 5y ago
  >All of the Macs stuck at High Sierra can also run Windows or Linux. What about current M1 model after few years? Btw what about IPhones/ IPads? Can they run linux?
  - GeekyBear 5y ago
    You seem to have confused iOS devices with Macs. Macs can run another OS by design.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - lovelyviking 5y ago
      >You seem to have confused iOS devices with Macs. I do not think I did. See above ... "I mean if one owns computer/iphone ... " >Macs can run another OS by design. If you are talking about previous models, to the certain degree yes except GPUs if I am not mistaken. But current M1 Mac as far as I understand it doesn't boot anything else unless it boots first from the internal storage and only then "external OS loader" which should be authorized too at least once by Apple. You can say that "Macs can run another OS by design." but design in which they authorize anything while do not provide full specs of HW interfaces for "another OS" I can't call so.
      - simonh 5y ago
        That's simply not true. Apple allows booting unsigned/custom kernels on Apple Silicon Macs without a jailbreak. This is according to the Asahi Linux docs.
        GhettoComputers 5y ago
        Strange, T1 didn’t.
        GeekyBear 5y ago
        Also not true. Someone just needed to write Linux drivers for that hardware.
        saagarjha 5y ago
        No, Apple’s security coprocessors were not designed to be unlocked (but now can, via checkra1n).
        GeekyBear 5y ago
        The thing that initially kept Linux from installing on those Macs was the lack of a driver for the SSD controller which is located on that T1/T2 chip. https://t2linux.org/ https://t2linux.org/
  - deepstack 5y ago
    Yeah you can run linux on iphone, but take some tech skills: https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/linux-iphone-7-3800398/ https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/linux-iphone-7-3800398/
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      Sorry, project is long dead, no updates and no functionality. Since iOS is Unix you can just do CLI on iOS anyway.
GhettoComputers 5y ago
>At some point they simply do not provide software while blocking you from providing own software. You knew this getting these devices. You didn’t buy it and except to be able to run android on iPhone did you? > Perhaps it's time to question this practice and discuss the issue with potentially making such devices illegal? At least when company doesn't provide software? Why? I don’t see a huge benefit. I don’t love it, but it’s not like you can’t run old versions or it stops working. Do you expect them to give you software updates forever once you buy it? Apple is one of the best at updating mobile. If it was up to me I’d like to have the paid updates model again, it would stop forcing upgrades, I’m not fond of the security comes with features model, and I think it would force them to have more support for other versions, they expect everyone to always update. Then again if you don’t like the product, don’t buy it. Many Android phones lets you do all of that, and once I set up an iMessage server to route it I’ll switch completely. >I mean if one owns computer/iphone and cannot install own software there since those devices are locked and Apple do not provide their software with security updates what an owner of the machine should do? What security problem are you worried about? I never update iOS from the version it came from and had never been hacked ever, I’d love to hear of anyone with that experience, I have never heard of it happening once, same with my android devices although I root. Maybe my Adblocks, blacklist, or the VPN on mobile prevents it anyway, on my home network I rely on my router to protect my devices. Do you have a realistic fear, which exploit? Why is it scary? Best practice is to stop assuming you have any safety, updates or not, lots of unpublished backdoors, lots of ways to hack you if they really wanted to.

GeekyBear 5y ago

> That is why locked devices without ability to have root access and full control over them is a problem. At some point they simply do not provide software while blocking you from providing own software. All of the Macs stuck at High Sierra can also run Windows or Linux.

lovelyviking 5y ago
>All of the Macs stuck at High Sierra can also run Windows or Linux. What about current M1 model after few years? Btw what about IPhones/ IPads? Can they run linux?
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  You seem to have confused iOS devices with Macs. Macs can run another OS by design.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - lovelyviking 5y ago
    >You seem to have confused iOS devices with Macs. I do not think I did. See above ... "I mean if one owns computer/iphone ... " >Macs can run another OS by design. If you are talking about previous models, to the certain degree yes except GPUs if I am not mistaken. But current M1 Mac as far as I understand it doesn't boot anything else unless it boots first from the internal storage and only then "external OS loader" which should be authorized too at least once by Apple. You can say that "Macs can run another OS by design." but design in which they authorize anything while do not provide full specs of HW interfaces for "another OS" I can't call so.
    - simonh 5y ago
      That's simply not true. Apple allows booting unsigned/custom kernels on Apple Silicon Macs without a jailbreak. This is according to the Asahi Linux docs.
      - GhettoComputers 5y ago
        Strange, T1 didn’t.
        GeekyBear 5y ago
        Also not true. Someone just needed to write Linux drivers for that hardware.
        saagarjha 5y ago
        No, Apple’s security coprocessors were not designed to be unlocked (but now can, via checkra1n).
        GeekyBear 5y ago
        The thing that initially kept Linux from installing on those Macs was the lack of a driver for the SSD controller which is located on that T1/T2 chip. https://t2linux.org/ https://t2linux.org/
- deepstack 5y ago
  Yeah you can run linux on iphone, but take some tech skills: https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/linux-iphone-7-3800398/ https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/linux-iphone-7-3800398/
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    Sorry, project is long dead, no updates and no functionality. Since iOS is Unix you can just do CLI on iOS anyway.

GhettoComputers 5y ago

>At some point they simply do not provide software while blocking you from providing own software. You knew this getting these devices. You didn’t buy it and except to be able to run android on iPhone did you? > Perhaps it's time to question this practice and discuss the issue with potentially making such devices illegal? At least when company doesn't provide software? Why? I don’t see a huge benefit. I don’t love it, but it’s not like you can’t run old versions or it stops working. Do you expect them to give you software updates forever once you buy it? Apple is one of the best at updating mobile. If it was up to me I’d like to have the paid updates model again, it would stop forcing upgrades, I’m not fond of the security comes with features model, and I think it would force them to have more support for other versions, they expect everyone to always update. Then again if you don’t like the product, don’t buy it. Many Android phones lets you do all of that, and once I set up an iMessage server to route it I’ll switch completely. >I mean if one owns computer/iphone and cannot install own software there since those devices are locked and Apple do not provide their software with security updates what an owner of the machine should do? What security problem are you worried about? I never update iOS from the version it came from and had never been hacked ever, I’d love to hear of anyone with that experience, I have never heard of it happening once, same with my android devices although I root. Maybe my Adblocks, blacklist, or the VPN on mobile prevents it anyway, on my home network I rely on my router to protect my devices. Do you have a realistic fear, which exploit? Why is it scary? Best practice is to stop assuming you have any safety, updates or not, lots of unpublished backdoors, lots of ways to hack you if they really wanted to.