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Weird, I haven’t seen HNers blaming the user for USB confusion. In fact I am sure I’ve seen articles here getting shared and upvoted which discuss the USB confu

by smcl 5y ago

Weird, I haven’t seen HNers blaming the user for USB confusion. In fact I am sure I’ve seen articles here getting shared and upvoted which discuss the USB confusion and express sympathy for users while trying to disambiguate the situation

ksec 5y ago
Yes you get these article submission, but you still see many of HN comments defending USB-C as a non-issue or an user issue. It is the user's fault for buying the wrong cable. Just get the Thunderbolt Cable. For most part of 2014 to 2019. USB-C was hailed as the silver bullet. The increasing backlash against USB-C was a very very recent thing.
- ximeng 5y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29445844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29445844 this was the last discussion I saw on HN about this, very much not hiding the complexity or laying blame.
  - labcomputer 5y ago
    You linked to one specific comment. If you zoom out and view the entire thread, starting with the first comment on that story, you’ll find plenty of comments defending the current state of USB.
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    - ksec 5y ago
      Yes. And imagine from 2015 to ~2019 I was the only few who voiced those concern, even before the Google engineers raised awareness of non-standard confirming USB-C. Getting downvoted every time while 95% of the comments were in strong support of USB. The only way to solve a problem is to first accept we have a problem. And we aren't quite there yet.
    - smcl 5y ago
      Here's the top few replies to the submission that comment is replying to: - person saying they've only had a smooth experience with USB-C cables - person acknowledging that this is complex and is grateful someone took the time to make the article - someone lamenting that it's hard to know cable capabilities - person asking for advice on some BIOS modes - someone saying USB-C solved some problems but also created others - someone annoyed about the amount of cables they have to have now - someone wishing it was simpler to find out capabilities of cables - someone saying they were probably lucky but they only ever had one problem with USB-C I've seen a couple of "works for me, maybe read the packaging on the cables?" replies but honestly my impression is not that HN commenters are dismissive of how USB cables are confusing, but that many are themselves irritated with the state of affairs. If you were personally treated badly after expressing this opinion here then that sucks and I'm sorry, but you can definitely count yourself among the majority of people (myself included) on this site who wish it was a little clearer.
coolgoose 5y ago
This 100% :-) , USB was always a prime example on how NOT to name things. The problem is that HDMI makes it even worse.

by smcl 5y ago

ksec 5y ago

Yes you get these article submission, but you still see many of HN comments defending USB-C as a non-issue or an user issue. It is the user's fault for buying the wrong cable. Just get the Thunderbolt Cable. For most part of 2014 to 2019. USB-C was hailed as the silver bullet. The increasing backlash against USB-C was a very very recent thing.

ximeng 5y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29445844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29445844 this was the last discussion I saw on HN about this, very much not hiding the complexity or laying blame.
- labcomputer 5y ago
  You linked to one specific comment. If you zoom out and view the entire thread, starting with the first comment on that story, you’ll find plenty of comments defending the current state of USB.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - ksec 5y ago
    Yes. And imagine from 2015 to ~2019 I was the only few who voiced those concern, even before the Google engineers raised awareness of non-standard confirming USB-C. Getting downvoted every time while 95% of the comments were in strong support of USB. The only way to solve a problem is to first accept we have a problem. And we aren't quite there yet.
  - smcl 5y ago
    Here's the top few replies to the submission that comment is replying to: - person saying they've only had a smooth experience with USB-C cables - person acknowledging that this is complex and is grateful someone took the time to make the article - someone lamenting that it's hard to know cable capabilities - person asking for advice on some BIOS modes - someone saying USB-C solved some problems but also created others - someone annoyed about the amount of cables they have to have now - someone wishing it was simpler to find out capabilities of cables - someone saying they were probably lucky but they only ever had one problem with USB-C I've seen a couple of "works for me, maybe read the packaging on the cables?" replies but honestly my impression is not that HN commenters are dismissive of how USB cables are confusing, but that many are themselves irritated with the state of affairs. If you were personally treated badly after expressing this opinion here then that sucks and I'm sorry, but you can definitely count yourself among the majority of people (myself included) on this site who wish it was a little clearer.

coolgoose 5y ago

This 100% :-) , USB was always a prime example on how NOT to name things. The problem is that HDMI makes it even worse.