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I consider this a totally unnecessary thing. When they start charging to start my car, then we've got a problem. However, I do resent them inflating the base pr

I consider this a totally unnecessary thing. When they start charging to start my car, then we've got a problem. However, I do resent them inflating the base price by putting more unwanted h/w into the base model only to be activated as SaaS. EDIT: Snark removal.

alkonaut 5y ago
> Totally unnecessary thing only kids do. I use remote start when it's really cold. I thought that was the whole point of the feature (When the regular gasoline heater isn't enough, it can also run itself warm for a few minutes).
- SavantIdiot 5y ago
  Snark has been removed from original post. But I look at it as unnecessary feature creep, just more stuff to break. It's like they mastered making cars reliable (if cared for), and now the industry giants want to undo that but tacking on tons of "hey, what about this?" gadgets. Just run out to your car and start it: costs you 30 seconds and some precipitation on your collar?
  - alkonaut 5y ago
    It breaks in a robust way. Like an escalator. If it breaks, it just becomes that run-out-and-start. If it costs next to nothing then it's a good feature. It's like the remote for my TV. Sure I can get up and change channels, or I can walk and start the car. but chances are I'm gonna say "nah" and just cold start it. I'm not paying $8 month but I do pay $40/yr for the volvo version (although that has a bit more than just remote start. I use the remote heater start 100x times more than remote start though). I mean if the heater is remote started then why wouldn't the engine be. It's just the 2nd step of the heating process.
    - SavantIdiot 5y ago
      > I mean if the heater is remote started then why wouldn't the engine be. It's just the 2nd step of the heating process. Ok, that just registered in my brain. If it is a feature where people need to warm their cars before the cars even work, then it is pretty shitty to start charging a subscription fee for it. And if it is incremental, then I see your point. Can I still hate on touchscreens and lack of knobs, tho? :)
      - alkonaut 5y ago
        Thats how cars work in very low temps :) Or rather, they work anyway but it’s less friendly to the environment plus if you drive it cold you also need to spend a lot of time getting the ice off the windows, which at least comes “for free” with a 15 minute heating and a 3 minute pre-start. The heater I think isn’t even possible to start from the car. Might be deep in some menu in that case. I only know the touchscreen way…

alkonaut 5y ago

> Totally unnecessary thing only kids do. I use remote start when it's really cold. I thought that was the whole point of the feature (When the regular gasoline heater isn't enough, it can also run itself warm for a few minutes).

SavantIdiot 5y ago
Snark has been removed from original post. But I look at it as unnecessary feature creep, just more stuff to break. It's like they mastered making cars reliable (if cared for), and now the industry giants want to undo that but tacking on tons of "hey, what about this?" gadgets. Just run out to your car and start it: costs you 30 seconds and some precipitation on your collar?
- alkonaut 5y ago
  It breaks in a robust way. Like an escalator. If it breaks, it just becomes that run-out-and-start. If it costs next to nothing then it's a good feature. It's like the remote for my TV. Sure I can get up and change channels, or I can walk and start the car. but chances are I'm gonna say "nah" and just cold start it. I'm not paying $8 month but I do pay $40/yr for the volvo version (although that has a bit more than just remote start. I use the remote heater start 100x times more than remote start though). I mean if the heater is remote started then why wouldn't the engine be. It's just the 2nd step of the heating process.
  - SavantIdiot 5y ago
    > I mean if the heater is remote started then why wouldn't the engine be. It's just the 2nd step of the heating process. Ok, that just registered in my brain. If it is a feature where people need to warm their cars before the cars even work, then it is pretty shitty to start charging a subscription fee for it. And if it is incremental, then I see your point. Can I still hate on touchscreens and lack of knobs, tho? :)
    - alkonaut 5y ago
      Thats how cars work in very low temps :) Or rather, they work anyway but it’s less friendly to the environment plus if you drive it cold you also need to spend a lot of time getting the ice off the windows, which at least comes “for free” with a 15 minute heating and a 3 minute pre-start. The heater I think isn’t even possible to start from the car. Might be deep in some menu in that case. I only know the touchscreen way…