> But I also think that HN overestimates the ability for single engineers to upend the goals of an entire organization. In the real world, if a company wants to

> But I also think that HN overestimates the ability for single engineers to upend the goals of an entire organization. In the real world, if a company wants to automate anything and they’re paying well, there will be a line of engineers out the door applying to get it done. So my experience may not be the norm because I've only worked at smaller orgs, but my experience with all my product managers have been collaborative. Personally, I wouldn't be able to work at a place where I can't affect product decisions. But then again, maybe that mythical $300k total comp is really about "shut up and just follow the specs."