...and neither one gives a rat's ass about the amount of spam that comes from their networks, nor do they care about setting things up properly. Neither has an

...and neither one gives a rat's ass about the amount of spam that comes from their networks, nor do they care about setting things up properly. Neither has any way to communicate with humans when they screw things up. They have faulty reverse DNS? Can't let them know. A domain they host has incorrect SPF? They don't require abuse@, hostmaster@, postmaster@, or any other default addresses. Since WHOIS is no longer useful, there's no way to tell people. Domains hosted by them also have the same exact spam filtering on their abuse@ addresses as regular addresses, so you can't even report spam properly. It's funny that Google / Outlook will happily host a domain, yet will reject out of hand spam sent by Google / Outlook that's simply sent back to abuse@ addresses! It shows a painfully obvious double standard about spam. As they lock up more and more of the world's email, this we-don't-give-a-shit attitude will only get worse.