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> IMO your comment seems to be imagining some a individualist hero do-anything-at-all-costs scenario ("top speed"), rather than the sluggish herd behavior that

> IMO your comment seems to be imagining some a individualist hero do-anything-at-all-costs scenario ("top speed"), rather than the sluggish herd behavior that engineers design for. Indeed this is just your opinion. And the whole individualist hero do anything quip is unnecessary reactionary nonsense. This is about being prepared for an emergency in your facility which entails quickly and safely getting to an exit. > For example people are going to take some time to realize they need to take an alarm seriously, take a few minutes to collect their effects, shuffle to their cars, say goodbye to their coworkers, they will wait in traffic lines, etc. Are they doing this during a fire? They most certainly should not be. > ... but I don't think planning for workers to bug out in their cars is the right approach. This isn't about going George Castanza and pushing old ladies to the floor to get to a fire exit. This is about knowing or having a plan in place and taking it seriously. Maybe your company provides it, maybe you have to figure it out yourself. Point is, always be prepared.

mindslight 5y ago
> Are they doing this during a fire? They most certainly should not be I've been in a few situations where a fire alarm is going off in a large building, and it created no sense of urgency. One was a shopping mall, with people milling about, half-wondering what the noise was, thinking as long as they could see an exit and didn't see a fire it was fine. Even being one who generally doesn't follow herds, I stayed in that state longer than I should have in retrospect. That's human nature, and a major reason of why companies do fire drills. > Maybe your company provides it, maybe you have to figure it out yourself. Point is, always be prepared. Yes, of course. Ultimately you are responsible for your own safety. Always be prepared. The problem arises if you take this philosophy as a given and assert that a large group of people will be individually prepared, as a license to avoid figuring out the institutional-scale problem. That is what I'm taking issue with here. Based on what I've read about the timeframe of tornadoes, I think a corporate policy of having people leave the building and go to their cars is a recipe for a mass casualty event in the parking lot. Given how heavily corporate micromanagement directs people at such jobs (security checkpoints, timeclocks, timing bathroom breaks, prohibiting cell phones, etc), I think the scalable way to handle tornadoes is for the same management structure to direct people into designated shelters within the building. And sure if I were in such a position, I certainly wouldn't want to just trust management to take care of me in a top-down way. But I also wouldn't want management to use my option to individually prepare as an excuse to slack off on their facility preparation.
- MisterTea 5y ago
  > Based on what I've read about the timeframe of tornadoes, I think a corporate policy of having people leave the building and go to their cars is a recipe for a mass casualty event in the parking lot. I was originally talking about emergencies in general. Not to specifically evacuate during a tornado.
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mindslight 5y ago

> Are they doing this during a fire? They most certainly should not be I've been in a few situations where a fire alarm is going off in a large building, and it created no sense of urgency. One was a shopping mall, with people milling about, half-wondering what the noise was, thinking as long as they could see an exit and didn't see a fire it was fine. Even being one who generally doesn't follow herds, I stayed in that state longer than I should have in retrospect. That's human nature, and a major reason of why companies do fire drills. > Maybe your company provides it, maybe you have to figure it out yourself. Point is, always be prepared. Yes, of course. Ultimately you are responsible for your own safety. Always be prepared. The problem arises if you take this philosophy as a given and assert that a large group of people will be individually prepared, as a license to avoid figuring out the institutional-scale problem. That is what I'm taking issue with here. Based on what I've read about the timeframe of tornadoes, I think a corporate policy of having people leave the building and go to their cars is a recipe for a mass casualty event in the parking lot. Given how heavily corporate micromanagement directs people at such jobs (security checkpoints, timeclocks, timing bathroom breaks, prohibiting cell phones, etc), I think the scalable way to handle tornadoes is for the same management structure to direct people into designated shelters within the building. And sure if I were in such a position, I certainly wouldn't want to just trust management to take care of me in a top-down way. But I also wouldn't want management to use my option to individually prepare as an excuse to slack off on their facility preparation.

MisterTea 5y ago
> Based on what I've read about the timeframe of tornadoes, I think a corporate policy of having people leave the building and go to their cars is a recipe for a mass casualty event in the parking lot. I was originally talking about emergencies in general. Not to specifically evacuate during a tornado.
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