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Yes, Capitalism will surely solve the problem that Capitalism wrought, and using tools like Regulation and Policy is sure to hamper Capitalism and not help cons

by nawgz 5y ago

Yes, Capitalism will surely solve the problem that Capitalism wrought, and using tools like Regulation and Policy is sure to hamper Capitalism and not help consumers or the environment at all! How sad it is that the comment suggesting we try to not continue overpopulating the globe is downvoted while this propaganda piece isn't.

dgfitz 5y ago
We're not overpopulating it anymore. That "solution" presents its own problems. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521
- nawgz 5y ago
  If by "we" you mean "the first world as it devolves into wealth inequality", sure, but it's clear there's nearly 8 billion people, so a 2.4 fertility rate not projected to turn til the end of the century probably still leaves us with 9 billion people by 2070 don't you think? And indeed, it is a massive problem that we face, but do you truly think proposing regulation-free unhampered-by-policy capital-c Capitalism - in an era we are watching abuse against employees rise while wages drop - is the answer? I find that laughably propagandist.
  - dgfitz 5y ago
    Imposing population limits in the developed world won’t change anything other than make population decrease problems occur faster. If this rate of birth decline continues, we’ll have a super healthy green planet, and no humans to inhabit it. This isn’t an argument against solar technologies et. al. It’s just the next problem that we don’t have an Al Gore for trumpeting it as an issue before it was widely known.
    - nawgz 5y ago
      > Imposing population limits in the developed world It is hard to read this and mention of "Al Gore" as anything other than arguing in bad faith. No one would propose to introduce population control in a place where that is not a problem. Instead, reasonable actors would propose that we work to dismantle the global inequality that incentivizes impoverished families in the exploited third-world to birth many children by reigning in the ability for corporations to act as slavers in the third world and simultaneously pretend to be beacons of progress in the first. Wealth inequality, or maybe more precisely poverty, is a top driver of population growth, as children are cheaper to acquire than labor so those who need currency desperately are incentivized to birth children (and into horrendous conditions at that). Reforming the nature of globalist capitalism would surely both help to curb population growth in these places as they became less impoverished and greatly improve our ethics.
IntrepidWorm 5y ago
Probably because population control threads so often devolve into eugenics.
- nawgz 5y ago
  Sure, and Capitalism devolves into late-stage regulatory-capture wealth-inequality race-to-the-bottom massive globally scaled abuses of both people and the planet. To propose that we just simply have to let "capitalists" fix the solution they have wrought is facile at best, and honestly strikes me as clearly malicious when in the same breath it is implied regulation and policy are the the enemy.
  - IntrepidWorm 5y ago
    I completely agree with you there. Capitalism got us into this mess- it's naive to think it will get us out of it. I was just pointing out that population control is a bit of a "knife's edge" discussion: there are ways to discuss it that don't devolve into eugenics.. But most arguments inevitably do.

by nawgz 5y ago

dgfitz 5y ago

We're not overpopulating it anymore. That "solution" presents its own problems. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521

nawgz 5y ago
If by "we" you mean "the first world as it devolves into wealth inequality", sure, but it's clear there's nearly 8 billion people, so a 2.4 fertility rate not projected to turn til the end of the century probably still leaves us with 9 billion people by 2070 don't you think? And indeed, it is a massive problem that we face, but do you truly think proposing regulation-free unhampered-by-policy capital-c Capitalism - in an era we are watching abuse against employees rise while wages drop - is the answer? I find that laughably propagandist.
- dgfitz 5y ago
  Imposing population limits in the developed world won’t change anything other than make population decrease problems occur faster. If this rate of birth decline continues, we’ll have a super healthy green planet, and no humans to inhabit it. This isn’t an argument against solar technologies et. al. It’s just the next problem that we don’t have an Al Gore for trumpeting it as an issue before it was widely known.
  - nawgz 5y ago
    > Imposing population limits in the developed world It is hard to read this and mention of "Al Gore" as anything other than arguing in bad faith. No one would propose to introduce population control in a place where that is not a problem. Instead, reasonable actors would propose that we work to dismantle the global inequality that incentivizes impoverished families in the exploited third-world to birth many children by reigning in the ability for corporations to act as slavers in the third world and simultaneously pretend to be beacons of progress in the first. Wealth inequality, or maybe more precisely poverty, is a top driver of population growth, as children are cheaper to acquire than labor so those who need currency desperately are incentivized to birth children (and into horrendous conditions at that). Reforming the nature of globalist capitalism would surely both help to curb population growth in these places as they became less impoverished and greatly improve our ethics.

IntrepidWorm 5y ago

Probably because population control threads so often devolve into eugenics.

nawgz 5y ago
Sure, and Capitalism devolves into late-stage regulatory-capture wealth-inequality race-to-the-bottom massive globally scaled abuses of both people and the planet. To propose that we just simply have to let "capitalists" fix the solution they have wrought is facile at best, and honestly strikes me as clearly malicious when in the same breath it is implied regulation and policy are the the enemy.
- IntrepidWorm 5y ago
  I completely agree with you there. Capitalism got us into this mess- it's naive to think it will get us out of it. I was just pointing out that population control is a bit of a "knife's edge" discussion: there are ways to discuss it that don't devolve into eugenics.. But most arguments inevitably do.