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Can you provide some details on why it is hell?

willis936 5y ago
If you think human feces in public is a problem worth leaving for then try living in a place where you don't know if the water is poisoned, if the power will stay on, or the ground will literally crumble under your home. The local governments are neither equipped nor interested in making those places habitable. It's getting worse and will continue to. Hurricanes and rising sea levels will bankrupt TX and FL each in this century.
- TechBro8615 5y ago
  So basically you’re upset about Florida and Texas for a different set of hysterical political reasons. Personally, I’d find my daily life more affected by feces on the sidewalk than I would the existential dread of sea level rising half a meter in the next hundred years. Frankly if you want to be scared of natural disaster over that time period, it’s probably more dangerous to live on the fault line in San Francisco than it is to live on the beach in Miami (sudden catastrophe with no warning vs. decades of observably rising sea levels).
  - willis936 5y ago
    A sudden catastrophe such as a highrise you live in collapsing, a sinkhole swallowing your house, the power in your region being off for an indeterminate amount of time while it is below freezing, or a hurricane wiping your city off the map? Wanting to live isn't hysteria and knowing how to survive is not a political stance.
  - dang 5y ago
    Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. That's exactly the opposite of what commenters should be doing here, and we ban accounts that do it repeatedly. We've already had to warn you about this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29018199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29018199. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
    - TechBro8615 5y ago
      That is really stretching it. Why is the OP who started this thread about “feces in the street” (an obvious political dogwhistle) not receiving the same “warning?” Not to mention the comment I replied that who took OP’s bait and turned it further political by countering with two Republican states. If I took this thread “further into flamewar,” then surely the same logic applies to the chain of comments above mine.
      - dang 5y ago
        I posted several moderation comments in this thread (including https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29547484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29547484, which was to the same user you were replying to). I can tell you for sure that it has nothing to do with which political side anybody is on (Anyone with the stamina and bad judgment it would take to read through enough of my tedious moderation comments should easily be able to satisfy themselves of that.) Actually, I don't even know which political side a lot of users (you, for example) are on—my brain pattern matches for other things after doing this hundreds of thousands of times. That's beside the point, though. The point is that you broke the site guidelines badly (specifically in the first sentence of your post), and we've already had to warn you about this. Users, including you, need to follow the site guidelines regardless of how badly any other user is behaving. Pointing the finger at someone else isn't a good move, and there's a deep reason why: it always feels like the other person started it and did worse. Since everyone always feels that way, everyone always feels justified in whatever they do. That's no basis for conduct; it leads straight to a downward spiral. We're trying to avoid that. Therefore we have a set of principles that everyone needs to follow.
- vel0city 5y ago
  > you don't know if the water is poisoned I can't speak for all of Texas, but my water district has high quality water standards. I look at the reports published from time to time, they're well below EPA and TCEQ limits for contaminates. Perfectly clean water here. Sure, there's areas of pollution in the state but there's pollution that happens in the Northeast as well. > if the power will stay on I forgot the fact power failures only happen in Texas, literally the entire rest of the United States has never experienced a single power failure, ever. Good luck assuming you'll never experience a power outage. > Hurricanes and rising sea levels will bankrupt TX and FL each in this century The Northeast is also very affected by rising sea levels. Which states will be more affected by sea level rise: New Jersey, Massachusetts, New York, or Texas? The entire Eastern seaboard seems to be having trouble responding to the challenges of stronger and more common hurricanes. Don't get me wrong the Northeast is a great place to live but don't bury your head in the sand thinking that the Northeast never has water quality issues, never has power outages, never gets hurricanes, and is immune to sea level rise.
  - willis936 5y ago
    Refusing to acknowledge the ERCOT problem doesn't mean it isn't there, it just means you're content to let it persist. It's not new. This has been happening since long before I was born. On water: living in a place where it is on-brand to not investigate public health disasters is not great. You've heard of Flint, but not Piney Point.
  - mindfulmore 5y ago
    > I forgot the fact power failures only happen in Texas No, but only Texas repeatedly ignored federal advice to fix their power grid which directly resulted in children literally freezing to death. Texas's state government is too focused on insane abortion laws and locking down a ruling white minority class through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and empowering election officials to throw out election results.
    - vel0city 5y ago
      If you're worried about freezing to death the Northeast is definitely not the place to go. Far more people die from hypothermia in the Northeast every year than in Texas, even without having a massive pretty much unprecedented storm. And yes, this storm in February was way worse than the storm a decade ago. I do agree with you though about the priorities of the Texas government. I don't agree with and vote against a lot of those idiots.
- nunez 5y ago
  all of that is extreme hyperbole and you know it

If you think human feces in public is a problem worth leaving for then try living in a place where you don't know if the water is poisoned, if the power will stay on, or the ground will literally crumble under your home. The local governments are neither equipped nor interested in making those places habitable. It's getting worse and will continue to. Hurricanes and rising sea levels will bankrupt TX and FL each in this century.

TechBro8615 5y ago
So basically you’re upset about Florida and Texas for a different set of hysterical political reasons. Personally, I’d find my daily life more affected by feces on the sidewalk than I would the existential dread of sea level rising half a meter in the next hundred years. Frankly if you want to be scared of natural disaster over that time period, it’s probably more dangerous to live on the fault line in San Francisco than it is to live on the beach in Miami (sudden catastrophe with no warning vs. decades of observably rising sea levels).
- willis936 5y ago
  A sudden catastrophe such as a highrise you live in collapsing, a sinkhole swallowing your house, the power in your region being off for an indeterminate amount of time while it is below freezing, or a hurricane wiping your city off the map? Wanting to live isn't hysteria and knowing how to survive is not a political stance.
- dang 5y ago
  Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. That's exactly the opposite of what commenters should be doing here, and we ban accounts that do it repeatedly. We've already had to warn you about this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29018199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29018199. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
  - TechBro8615 5y ago
    That is really stretching it. Why is the OP who started this thread about “feces in the street” (an obvious political dogwhistle) not receiving the same “warning?” Not to mention the comment I replied that who took OP’s bait and turned it further political by countering with two Republican states. If I took this thread “further into flamewar,” then surely the same logic applies to the chain of comments above mine.
    - dang 5y ago
      I posted several moderation comments in this thread (including https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29547484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29547484, which was to the same user you were replying to). I can tell you for sure that it has nothing to do with which political side anybody is on (Anyone with the stamina and bad judgment it would take to read through enough of my tedious moderation comments should easily be able to satisfy themselves of that.) Actually, I don't even know which political side a lot of users (you, for example) are on—my brain pattern matches for other things after doing this hundreds of thousands of times. That's beside the point, though. The point is that you broke the site guidelines badly (specifically in the first sentence of your post), and we've already had to warn you about this. Users, including you, need to follow the site guidelines regardless of how badly any other user is behaving. Pointing the finger at someone else isn't a good move, and there's a deep reason why: it always feels like the other person started it and did worse. Since everyone always feels that way, everyone always feels justified in whatever they do. That's no basis for conduct; it leads straight to a downward spiral. We're trying to avoid that. Therefore we have a set of principles that everyone needs to follow.
vel0city 5y ago
> you don't know if the water is poisoned I can't speak for all of Texas, but my water district has high quality water standards. I look at the reports published from time to time, they're well below EPA and TCEQ limits for contaminates. Perfectly clean water here. Sure, there's areas of pollution in the state but there's pollution that happens in the Northeast as well. > if the power will stay on I forgot the fact power failures only happen in Texas, literally the entire rest of the United States has never experienced a single power failure, ever. Good luck assuming you'll never experience a power outage. > Hurricanes and rising sea levels will bankrupt TX and FL each in this century The Northeast is also very affected by rising sea levels. Which states will be more affected by sea level rise: New Jersey, Massachusetts, New York, or Texas? The entire Eastern seaboard seems to be having trouble responding to the challenges of stronger and more common hurricanes. Don't get me wrong the Northeast is a great place to live but don't bury your head in the sand thinking that the Northeast never has water quality issues, never has power outages, never gets hurricanes, and is immune to sea level rise.
- willis936 5y ago
  Refusing to acknowledge the ERCOT problem doesn't mean it isn't there, it just means you're content to let it persist. It's not new. This has been happening since long before I was born. On water: living in a place where it is on-brand to not investigate public health disasters is not great. You've heard of Flint, but not Piney Point.
- mindfulmore 5y ago
  > I forgot the fact power failures only happen in Texas No, but only Texas repeatedly ignored federal advice to fix their power grid which directly resulted in children literally freezing to death. Texas's state government is too focused on insane abortion laws and locking down a ruling white minority class through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and empowering election officials to throw out election results.
  - vel0city 5y ago
    If you're worried about freezing to death the Northeast is definitely not the place to go. Far more people die from hypothermia in the Northeast every year than in Texas, even without having a massive pretty much unprecedented storm. And yes, this storm in February was way worse than the storm a decade ago. I do agree with you though about the priorities of the Texas government. I don't agree with and vote against a lot of those idiots.
nunez 5y ago
all of that is extreme hyperbole and you know it