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> My 5 year old has to wear a mask 7 hours a day against an illness that doesn't kill kids This is misinformation: https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coro

> My 5 year old has to wear a mask 7 hours a day against an illness that doesn't kill kids This is misinformation: https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/ https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19...

CountDrewku 5y ago
Maybe you ought to pay more attention to what it actually says instead of getting upset at what is obviously a generalization about the overreaction to COVID when it comes to young children- >A smaller subset of states reported on hospitalizations and mortality by age; the available data indicate that COVID-19-associated hospitalization and death is uncommon in children. Here's a more accurate representation - https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b-4pzv https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b... Now, go look up how many of those kids were already immuno-compromised. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6937e4.htm?s_cid=mm6937e4_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6937e4.htm?s_cid=mm... That's just one report that mentions 75% with an underlying medical condition. When people say it doesn't kill kids they're generalizing, flagging it as misinformation is completely silly. By percentages and how we react to every other virus this is NOT something we should be scared of when it comes to children. We certainly shouldn't be subjecting children to measures that may cause psychological and developmental harm for something that's VERY unlikely to be a threat to them.
- TurkishPoptart 5y ago
  Thanks for bringing in that hard data. I don't understand why the news media keeps saying "thank goodness kids can get vaccinated now!". Why are they trying to normalize annual or 2x a year shots for these kids, who are more likely to suffer from myocarditis as a result than to actually contract or get ill from this virus? Nobody freaking knows.
  - glial 5y ago
    Even if vaccination does nothing for kids except keep them from spreading it, it's net positive for the community. Of course, with omicron, who knows...
- diveanon 5y ago
  Children are a vector for spreading the virus, this really isn’t complicated. The psychological “trauma” of wearing a mask is nothing compared to what these kids will feel when they give grandma covid over Christmas. It’s not about them.
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
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    - diveanon 5y ago
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      - CountDrewku 5y ago
        >Asymptotically spreading COVID has been discussed and documented all over the world. I don’t believe this question is in good faith. Then you should easily be able to back that up with data. So please provide it. Hypothesis are not evidence. I have plenty of evidence that shows the opposite. https://adc.bmj.com/content/105/7/618 https://adc.bmj.com/content/105/7/618 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200710100934.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200710100934.h... https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2778940?utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=042621 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32430964/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32430964/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32914746/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32914746/ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26394 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26394 Have fun. If you'd like more to keep you busy let me know :). >Some people would like to spend time with their families this Christmas without having to worry about their children being vectors for a fucking plague that has now mutated to dodge the vaccine. Normal people will not be wearing masks to Christmas. Why would we worry about children being vectors? "The science" doesn't back this up and even if it did there's a vaccine for it. Are you confused about how the vaccine works? If COVID is this big of a deal then you should just avoid Christmas and leave the rest of us alone. Why are you venturing out if it affects you that much? I have a hard time believing you're acting in good faith when it comes to stopping COVID infection and then talking about social gatherings. It appears that you just want to control others. >Wear a mask ffs so we can move on with our lives. Massive strawman happening here. I've already moved on with my life.. That happened like year ago when everyone was able to get the vaccine if they wished. You have health anxiety, get it treated please and stop turning your personal fears into authoritarian rhetoric you think you have the right to shove down other people's throats.
TurkishPoptart 5y ago
In your article, it says that: >Among states reporting, children were 0.00%-0.27% of all COVID-19 deaths, and 6 states reported zero child deaths >In states reporting, 0.00%-0.03% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in death So how is what I said "misinformation"?
- anarchy8 5y ago
  You said it doesn't kill kids. Kids are not magically immune from the virus. What you implied is extremely incorrect and harmful.
anarchy8 5y ago
Why am I not surprised that Hacker News is a hotbed of COVID misinformation?

CountDrewku 5y ago

Maybe you ought to pay more attention to what it actually says instead of getting upset at what is obviously a generalization about the overreaction to COVID when it comes to young children- >A smaller subset of states reported on hospitalizations and mortality by age; the available data indicate that COVID-19-associated hospitalization and death is uncommon in children. Here's a more accurate representation - https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b-4pzv https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b... Now, go look up how many of those kids were already immuno-compromised. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6937e4.htm?s_cid=mm6937e4_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6937e4.htm?s_cid=mm... That's just one report that mentions 75% with an underlying medical condition. When people say it doesn't kill kids they're generalizing, flagging it as misinformation is completely silly. By percentages and how we react to every other virus this is NOT something we should be scared of when it comes to children. We certainly shouldn't be subjecting children to measures that may cause psychological and developmental harm for something that's VERY unlikely to be a threat to them.

TurkishPoptart 5y ago
Thanks for bringing in that hard data. I don't understand why the news media keeps saying "thank goodness kids can get vaccinated now!". Why are they trying to normalize annual or 2x a year shots for these kids, who are more likely to suffer from myocarditis as a result than to actually contract or get ill from this virus? Nobody freaking knows.
- glial 5y ago
  Even if vaccination does nothing for kids except keep them from spreading it, it's net positive for the community. Of course, with omicron, who knows...
diveanon 5y ago
Children are a vector for spreading the virus, this really isn’t complicated. The psychological “trauma” of wearing a mask is nothing compared to what these kids will feel when they give grandma covid over Christmas. It’s not about them.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
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  - diveanon 5y ago
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    - CountDrewku 5y ago
      >Asymptotically spreading COVID has been discussed and documented all over the world. I don’t believe this question is in good faith. Then you should easily be able to back that up with data. So please provide it. Hypothesis are not evidence. I have plenty of evidence that shows the opposite. https://adc.bmj.com/content/105/7/618 https://adc.bmj.com/content/105/7/618 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200710100934.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200710100934.h... https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2778940?utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=042621 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32430964/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32430964/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32914746/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32914746/ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26394 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26394 Have fun. If you'd like more to keep you busy let me know :). >Some people would like to spend time with their families this Christmas without having to worry about their children being vectors for a fucking plague that has now mutated to dodge the vaccine. Normal people will not be wearing masks to Christmas. Why would we worry about children being vectors? "The science" doesn't back this up and even if it did there's a vaccine for it. Are you confused about how the vaccine works? If COVID is this big of a deal then you should just avoid Christmas and leave the rest of us alone. Why are you venturing out if it affects you that much? I have a hard time believing you're acting in good faith when it comes to stopping COVID infection and then talking about social gatherings. It appears that you just want to control others. >Wear a mask ffs so we can move on with our lives. Massive strawman happening here. I've already moved on with my life.. That happened like year ago when everyone was able to get the vaccine if they wished. You have health anxiety, get it treated please and stop turning your personal fears into authoritarian rhetoric you think you have the right to shove down other people's throats.

TurkishPoptart 5y ago

In your article, it says that: >Among states reporting, children were 0.00%-0.27% of all COVID-19 deaths, and 6 states reported zero child deaths >In states reporting, 0.00%-0.03% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in death So how is what I said "misinformation"?

anarchy8 5y ago
You said it doesn't kill kids. Kids are not magically immune from the virus. What you implied is extremely incorrect and harmful.

anarchy8 5y ago

Why am I not surprised that Hacker News is a hotbed of COVID misinformation?