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Public space for private use should come with no costs and free of regulation. Short-term solutions made during a pandemic should be grandfathered in perpetuity

Public space for private use should come with no costs and free of regulation. Short-term solutions made during a pandemic should be grandfathered in perpetuity. /s

renewiltord 5y ago
As far as I can tell, there was cost and regulation and both changed. The uncertainty makes things hard for people. Personally, I like to extract as much value as possible from society so additional space for my car is no problem. I can always get a reservation indoors. Also, all else being the same, I’d prefer a more expensive restaurant to a less expensive one because it prices out other people and makes it easier for me to get in.
dude187 5y ago
If they didn't want to keep them around then don't make them permanent. Instead SF took it's usual tactic of corruption to bring the worst of both worlds. Permanent structures for the politically connected, fines and endless ever increasing hoops to bully the ones they don't like into going away
MomoXenosaga 5y ago
I hate it that public space is taken over by restaurants and bars. No I don't want to buy a €4 cappuccino I just want to sit here in this public park sorry for my poverty.
danielrhodes 5y ago
I don't support government incompetence, but when you look at the reasons they need to update and enforce the code on these parklets, it is entirely reasonable. For example, they need to make sure the parklets aren't blocking access to the building by firetrucks, or aren't too close to buildings where they would catch debris in the case of a fire. The parklets were approved rather hastily to support restaurants, but now that they could become a permanent fixture, things need to change. Anecdotally, I have seen a dramatic reduction in people wanting to sit in parklets when indoor spots are available. So this all might be moot in a year or two.
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diebeforei485 5y ago
Half of SF households don't have cars, but apparently it's considered "public space" when you park your $50K Tesla there, while it's considered private space if you spend $15 on a lunch there.
- hindsightbias 5y ago
  The parking meter and fine business was over $100M and that was 5 years ago. Most of the city east of 19th Avenue is permit parking. While it should cost more, that’s capped by the legislature and not the city.
dantheman 5y ago
If anything,I'd say the building owns that space more than the people parking there for free. Free overnight parking was one of the worst policy decisions ever made.

Public space for private use should come with no costs and free of regulation. Short-term solutions made during a pandemic should be grandfathered in perpetuity. /s

renewiltord 5y ago

As far as I can tell, there was cost and regulation and both changed. The uncertainty makes things hard for people. Personally, I like to extract as much value as possible from society so additional space for my car is no problem. I can always get a reservation indoors. Also, all else being the same, I’d prefer a more expensive restaurant to a less expensive one because it prices out other people and makes it easier for me to get in.

dude187 5y ago

If they didn't want to keep them around then don't make them permanent. Instead SF took it's usual tactic of corruption to bring the worst of both worlds. Permanent structures for the politically connected, fines and endless ever increasing hoops to bully the ones they don't like into going away

MomoXenosaga 5y ago

I hate it that public space is taken over by restaurants and bars. No I don't want to buy a €4 cappuccino I just want to sit here in this public park sorry for my poverty.

danielrhodes 5y ago

I don't support government incompetence, but when you look at the reasons they need to update and enforce the code on these parklets, it is entirely reasonable. For example, they need to make sure the parklets aren't blocking access to the building by firetrucks, or aren't too close to buildings where they would catch debris in the case of a fire. The parklets were approved rather hastily to support restaurants, but now that they could become a permanent fixture, things need to change. Anecdotally, I have seen a dramatic reduction in people wanting to sit in parklets when indoor spots are available. So this all might be moot in a year or two.

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diebeforei485 5y ago

Half of SF households don't have cars, but apparently it's considered "public space" when you park your $50K Tesla there, while it's considered private space if you spend $15 on a lunch there.

hindsightbias 5y ago
The parking meter and fine business was over $100M and that was 5 years ago. Most of the city east of 19th Avenue is permit parking. While it should cost more, that’s capped by the legislature and not the city.

dantheman 5y ago

If anything,I'd say the building owns that space more than the people parking there for free. Free overnight parking was one of the worst policy decisions ever made.