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> Modern security practices intentionally silo users into a single domain - Usually a large tech firm (Facebook, Google, Apple, etc) and then try as DAMN HARD a
by actually_a_dog 5y ago
> Modern security practices intentionally silo users into a single domain - Usually a large tech firm (Facebook, Google, Apple, etc) and then try as DAMN HARD as they can to lock users there - all in the name of security, of course.
> We can't let the user LEAVE our site! How can we know for sure they'll do what we want if they go somewhere else (oh, and also - that thing they do that we don't approve of? It might be DANGEROUS! - think of the children!)
I don't think I've ever seen a walled garden justified in the name of security. Generally, it seems to be more about keeping the user within your ecosystem, so you can capture the value of their attention (i.e. show them ads).
- juanani 5y ago>I don't think I've ever seen a walled garden justified in the name of security. Hmm, have you ever heard of Apple?
- kijin 5y agoApple requires all apps to be installed through the App Store. Google requires all in-app payments to go through Google Play. The obvious reason for these requirements is that it's profitable for them. But how do they justify it to their users? More convenience? A unified experience? No, their most prominent argument is that it's safer that way.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoThose examples are not applicable. The context of the article, and the comment I was quoting from, clearly indicate a web environment.
- teddyh 5y agoWell, you wrote “a walled garden”, which could reasonably be interpreted as any walled garden in software generally. But if we are charitable and limit ourselves to web site “walled gardens”, how do YouTube and Facebook, etc. justify their “oops, you clicked on an external link! If might lead anywhere! Are you really, really sure you want to continue?”, if security is not their argument?
- actually_a_dog 5y agoAds. They want to introduce friction into the process of leaving their site so they can keep showing you ads.
- kijin 5y agoAd revenue is obviously the motive. Nobody is denying that. The argument they actually present to the user, though, is about security. Both in politics and in online business, security is an extremely convenient excuse for forcing people to do what you want and hiding your true motives. That's the whole point of the current thread.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoCitation needed.