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I would dearly like to see legislation that means that non-human supervision constitutes an elevated a risk to the employer. e.g. UK Data Protection Act 2018

I would dearly like to see legislation that means that non-human supervision constitutes an elevated a risk to the employer. e.g. UK Data Protection Act 2018 A controller may not take a significant decision based solely on automated processing unless that decision is required or authorised by law. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/12/part/3/chapter/3/crossheading/automated-individual-decisionmaking/enacted https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/12/part/3/chapter/...

stevenjgarner 5y ago
... and to the employee?
- Applejinx 5y ago
  For the time being that's a given.
willcipriano 5y ago
I don't think it even needs to go that far, if you choose to delagate your descion making to a machine you should be as responsible for whatever results from that, it is your role to ensure the machine is making the right choices.
- afandian 5y ago
  I think it's a harmful act of technological hubris to suggest that it's possible. Employment is a human relationship. I don't see much evidence that humans are able to construct a system that can respond to all of the human interaction that goes into a human relationship. Look at the state of the art of HR software, let alone spyware. Let the robot managers for manage robots.
  - willcipriano 5y ago
    If someone invented such a system, I wouldn't want to stop them from using it, I just hold them accountable. I personally wouldn't trust a computer to fire someone if I was on the hook for it's choices.
    - afandian 5y ago
      I don't trust any of the feedback loops, or the good faith of any of the kinds of organizations that would use them. Show me a time when a company was truly accountable for a "computer mistake" and didn't just shrug it off when the damage was done. The fable of the scorpion and the frog springs to mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog
      - willcipriano 5y ago
        I don't think it's actually a defence now, except maybe in the court of public opinion. For example, I'm certain courts would find that it's still sexual harassment if you build a machine to go around looking up women's dresses instead of doing it yourself. The problem isn't a lack of accountability for the machine so much as it is a lack of accountability generally.

stevenjgarner 5y ago

... and to the employee?

Applejinx 5y ago
For the time being that's a given.

willcipriano 5y ago

I don't think it even needs to go that far, if you choose to delagate your descion making to a machine you should be as responsible for whatever results from that, it is your role to ensure the machine is making the right choices.

afandian 5y ago
I think it's a harmful act of technological hubris to suggest that it's possible. Employment is a human relationship. I don't see much evidence that humans are able to construct a system that can respond to all of the human interaction that goes into a human relationship. Look at the state of the art of HR software, let alone spyware. Let the robot managers for manage robots.
- willcipriano 5y ago
  If someone invented such a system, I wouldn't want to stop them from using it, I just hold them accountable. I personally wouldn't trust a computer to fire someone if I was on the hook for it's choices.
  - afandian 5y ago
    I don't trust any of the feedback loops, or the good faith of any of the kinds of organizations that would use them. Show me a time when a company was truly accountable for a "computer mistake" and didn't just shrug it off when the damage was done. The fable of the scorpion and the frog springs to mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog
    - willcipriano 5y ago
      I don't think it's actually a defence now, except maybe in the court of public opinion. For example, I'm certain courts would find that it's still sexual harassment if you build a machine to go around looking up women's dresses instead of doing it yourself. The problem isn't a lack of accountability for the machine so much as it is a lack of accountability generally.