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AWS and other compute providers will continue to buy what customers want, but: 1) if their managed services (RDS, DynamoDB, etc) can run on ARM and it provides

AWS and other compute providers will continue to buy what customers want, but: 1) if their managed services (RDS, DynamoDB, etc) can run on ARM and it provides a better price/performance ratio, they'll use that internally, thus needing less x86 hardware 2) if most customers can run on ARM (interpreted languages run out of the box, compiled ones need more effort but is still doable) and it's better priced than x86 there is less demand on x86 again.

nindalf 5y ago
> Compiled ones need more effort I think Go needs a flag specified at compile time to work on ARM. Instead of `go build`, run `env GOOS=linux GOARCH=arm64 go build`. Rust is similar, except it requires the appropriate toolchain to be installed first (1-liner). It’s probably less effort what I’ve described because there are GitHub Actions that will generate appropriate binaries out of the box.
- liftm 5y ago
  It remains that easy until your Go/Rust project relies on libraries written in other languages, say C. (This holds true for JS/python/… too.)
  - cure 5y ago
    Right. But even then it does not become that much worse. Just tell Go to use the appropriate cross compilation chain for the C bits, e.g. `apt install gcc-aarch64-linux-gnu` and set the `CC=aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc` environment variable to compile for arm64. Compilation becomes a bit slower, but it's still manageable. It's that easy thanks to the foundations laid by the distribution that ships a solid cross-compiler setup (in this example, thank you Debian!) and of course the brilliance of the Go design and toolchain.
  - creamytaco 5y ago
    Relying on libraries written in C is not an issue if the library doesn't make assumptions about / isn't tied to, a particular architecture. Some do but most (especially newer codebases written to C11 and beyond) don't.
    - ajdlinux 5y ago
      There's also the issue of performance-optimised assembly routines, which impacts many native libraries doing things such as crypto, image processing, etc.
- blihp 5y ago
  The issue is that someone has to initially write the code to emit the native assembly/machine code for each architecture that a given compiler supports. (i.e. assuming it actually emits native code and not code for another compiled language like C/C++) The flag simply means that someone has already done that work for a particular language on a particular architecture.
  - nindalf 5y ago
    Absolutely, it’s a lot of work. Just saying the work had already been done for Go and Rust even before M1 made it mainstream.
Marazan 5y ago
RDS is a huge one. Switching to Graviton meant that our instances are significantly cheaper and just as fast. And there was zero switching friction.

nindalf 5y ago

> Compiled ones need more effort I think Go needs a flag specified at compile time to work on ARM. Instead of `go build`, run `env GOOS=linux GOARCH=arm64 go build`. Rust is similar, except it requires the appropriate toolchain to be installed first (1-liner). It’s probably less effort what I’ve described because there are GitHub Actions that will generate appropriate binaries out of the box.

liftm 5y ago
It remains that easy until your Go/Rust project relies on libraries written in other languages, say C. (This holds true for JS/python/… too.)
- cure 5y ago
  Right. But even then it does not become that much worse. Just tell Go to use the appropriate cross compilation chain for the C bits, e.g. `apt install gcc-aarch64-linux-gnu` and set the `CC=aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc` environment variable to compile for arm64. Compilation becomes a bit slower, but it's still manageable. It's that easy thanks to the foundations laid by the distribution that ships a solid cross-compiler setup (in this example, thank you Debian!) and of course the brilliance of the Go design and toolchain.
- creamytaco 5y ago
  Relying on libraries written in C is not an issue if the library doesn't make assumptions about / isn't tied to, a particular architecture. Some do but most (especially newer codebases written to C11 and beyond) don't.
  - ajdlinux 5y ago
    There's also the issue of performance-optimised assembly routines, which impacts many native libraries doing things such as crypto, image processing, etc.
blihp 5y ago
The issue is that someone has to initially write the code to emit the native assembly/machine code for each architecture that a given compiler supports. (i.e. assuming it actually emits native code and not code for another compiled language like C/C++) The flag simply means that someone has already done that work for a particular language on a particular architecture.
- nindalf 5y ago
  Absolutely, it’s a lot of work. Just saying the work had already been done for Go and Rust even before M1 made it mainstream.

Marazan 5y ago

RDS is a huge one. Switching to Graviton meant that our instances are significantly cheaper and just as fast. And there was zero switching friction.