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You're completely ignoring the point of the comment that you're responding to. Someone at Hertz is culpable for not taking steps to prevent this from happening.

kube-system 5y ago
I don't understand what you think I am ignoring. > Someone at Hertz is culpable for not taking steps to prevent this from happening. Of course, this is what the 191 lawsuits are about. They are to determine Hertz's culpability in -- with what the article describes -- are the civil wrongdoings I mentioned in my above comment.
mantaraygun 5y ago
> Someone at Hertz is culpable for not taking steps to prevent this from happening. It's far from clear that anybody at Hertz is criminally culpable, which is what was suggested upthread, with talk of people making false statements being arrested.
- jfrunyon 5y ago
  Which is indisputably a problem with our society.
  - kube-system 5y ago
    I think, that to suggest that people should be held criminally responsible for the mistakes of others (assuming that these are mistakes), is a pretty extreme position. Over-criminalization of everything a much more problematic situation that had led to larger problems with mass incarceration that underlies many of the most significant problems that the US has. The solution to everything isn't "lock 'em up and throw away the key". We have functional civil courts, and they are more than capable of remediating wrongs.
    - jfrunyon 5y ago
      No. They should be held responsible for their own mistakes. I'm not sure who else but the CEO and board you think have the ability and responsibility to make sure their company is acting appropriately. > We have functional civil courts, and they are more than capable of remediating wrongs That's actually a good one. Thanks for the laugh.
akomtu 5y ago
Organizations are good at diffusing responsibility. Even when crime is egregious, like the pfas leak, and would be enough to sentence everyone in the organization to life in prison, justice can't find anyone who is directly liable, so nobody is punished.
- glogla 5y ago
  Some say this diffusion of responsibility is the point of modern corporate structure.

kube-system 5y ago

I don't understand what you think I am ignoring. > Someone at Hertz is culpable for not taking steps to prevent this from happening. Of course, this is what the 191 lawsuits are about. They are to determine Hertz's culpability in -- with what the article describes -- are the civil wrongdoings I mentioned in my above comment.

mantaraygun 5y ago

> Someone at Hertz is culpable for not taking steps to prevent this from happening. It's far from clear that anybody at Hertz is criminally culpable, which is what was suggested upthread, with talk of people making false statements being arrested.

jfrunyon 5y ago
Which is indisputably a problem with our society.
- kube-system 5y ago
  I think, that to suggest that people should be held criminally responsible for the mistakes of others (assuming that these are mistakes), is a pretty extreme position. Over-criminalization of everything a much more problematic situation that had led to larger problems with mass incarceration that underlies many of the most significant problems that the US has. The solution to everything isn't "lock 'em up and throw away the key". We have functional civil courts, and they are more than capable of remediating wrongs.
  - jfrunyon 5y ago
    No. They should be held responsible for their own mistakes. I'm not sure who else but the CEO and board you think have the ability and responsibility to make sure their company is acting appropriately. > We have functional civil courts, and they are more than capable of remediating wrongs That's actually a good one. Thanks for the laugh.

akomtu 5y ago

Organizations are good at diffusing responsibility. Even when crime is egregious, like the pfas leak, and would be enough to sentence everyone in the organization to life in prison, justice can't find anyone who is directly liable, so nobody is punished.

glogla 5y ago
Some say this diffusion of responsibility is the point of modern corporate structure.