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> In this case, you want the CEO and board to go to prison because some low-level employee made a mistake on some paperwork. Yes. If the CEO and board want the

> In this case, you want the CEO and board to go to prison because some low-level employee made a mistake on some paperwork. Yes. If the CEO and board want the responsibility of owning a company then yes they should also own-up to fuck-ups by their employees. If big companies don't want to be responsible for thousands of employees then perhaps it's time to split up the responsibilities -- and the compensations too.

refurb 5y ago
That makes no sense at all. You want a CEO to go to jail if an employee decides to do their job wrong?
- jfrunyon 5y ago
  How else do we incentivize companies to make sure things like this don't happen, if there's no punishment for companies who do them repeatedly?
- lancepioch 5y ago
  Maybe let's try rephrasing it. Knowingly making a false report to the police is a crime. If it happens once or twice or even a few times over several years, that's not such a big deal, mistakes happen. But in this case, it seems like there are several hundred false reports over several years. It's so much, that Hertz was able to hand over a database of data related to it. This is negligence, they clearly know they are doing something wrong and they know it's harming other people. If tens or hundreds of your employees are making false reports consistently over many years and you're not doing something to resolve it? I suppose the answer to your question is yes.
  - kube-system 5y ago
    Knowing the your employees are making mistakes is not the same as knowingly making a false statement. And making statements that are found to be untrue is also not the same as making a false statement. For it to be a crime, a single person must willingly make a statement that they know is false. Making a statement and being incorrect about it is not criminal. Knowing that other people have made incorrect statements is not criminal. That being said, making mistakes that harms other people is a civil tort. And that’s why these cases are going to a judge now as mentioned in the article. It also worth noting that the article is about allegedly untrue reports of car theft. Whether or not those claims are accurate still remains to be tested in court.
- VRay 5y ago
  Mark Fields (the CEO) could put in a process to make it difficult or impossible to accidentally get your customers arrested, but he doesn't give a shit if that happens right now The idea is that Mark would feel some sort of inconvenience if something was screwed up this badly, ideally, in light of the fact that he's receiving $16,000,000/year
- ls15 5y ago
  > You want a CEO to go to jail if an employee decides to do their job wrong? They also get bonuses if the employees decide to do their jobs right.
- mschuster91 5y ago
  > You want a CEO to go to jail if an employee decides to do their job wrong? If a single employee's actions can cause an innocent person to be arrested, the company procedures were clearly inadequate - in this case, a lack of a "four eyes" principle at car checkin/checkout and insufficient record-keeping and quality assurance of these records. It is the job of the employees to do their tasks correctly... and the job of management to provide the necessary resources for employees to do their tasks and to implement procedures to catch and prevent (inevitable) human or machine error.
jfrunyon 5y ago
Right? Isn't that the excuse for paying them 1000x what their employees make (while going through bankruptcy no less)? They're the ones with the responsibility and personal risk?

refurb 5y ago

That makes no sense at all. You want a CEO to go to jail if an employee decides to do their job wrong?

jfrunyon 5y ago
How else do we incentivize companies to make sure things like this don't happen, if there's no punishment for companies who do them repeatedly?
lancepioch 5y ago
Maybe let's try rephrasing it. Knowingly making a false report to the police is a crime. If it happens once or twice or even a few times over several years, that's not such a big deal, mistakes happen. But in this case, it seems like there are several hundred false reports over several years. It's so much, that Hertz was able to hand over a database of data related to it. This is negligence, they clearly know they are doing something wrong and they know it's harming other people. If tens or hundreds of your employees are making false reports consistently over many years and you're not doing something to resolve it? I suppose the answer to your question is yes.
- kube-system 5y ago
  Knowing the your employees are making mistakes is not the same as knowingly making a false statement. And making statements that are found to be untrue is also not the same as making a false statement. For it to be a crime, a single person must willingly make a statement that they know is false. Making a statement and being incorrect about it is not criminal. Knowing that other people have made incorrect statements is not criminal. That being said, making mistakes that harms other people is a civil tort. And that’s why these cases are going to a judge now as mentioned in the article. It also worth noting that the article is about allegedly untrue reports of car theft. Whether or not those claims are accurate still remains to be tested in court.
VRay 5y ago
Mark Fields (the CEO) could put in a process to make it difficult or impossible to accidentally get your customers arrested, but he doesn't give a shit if that happens right now The idea is that Mark would feel some sort of inconvenience if something was screwed up this badly, ideally, in light of the fact that he's receiving $16,000,000/year
ls15 5y ago
> You want a CEO to go to jail if an employee decides to do their job wrong? They also get bonuses if the employees decide to do their jobs right.
mschuster91 5y ago
> You want a CEO to go to jail if an employee decides to do their job wrong? If a single employee's actions can cause an innocent person to be arrested, the company procedures were clearly inadequate - in this case, a lack of a "four eyes" principle at car checkin/checkout and insufficient record-keeping and quality assurance of these records. It is the job of the employees to do their tasks correctly... and the job of management to provide the necessary resources for employees to do their tasks and to implement procedures to catch and prevent (inevitable) human or machine error.

jfrunyon 5y ago

Right? Isn't that the excuse for paying them 1000x what their employees make (while going through bankruptcy no less)? They're the ones with the responsibility and personal risk?