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From the article "Do we really need to have an argument about whether New Zealand [with a higher rate of incarceration than SF] is a carceralist state, or can w
by erehweb 5y ago
From the article "Do we really need to have an argument about whether New Zealand [with a higher rate of incarceration than SF] is a carceralist state, or can we all just agree that this claim [that SF had been practicing mass incarceration] is absurd on its face?"
From the Guardian after a minute's Googling: "New Zealand has one of the highest incarceration rates in the developed world, with Māori people accounting for more than 50% of all prisoners, despite representing only 15% of the overall population. Some 90% of prisoners have a life-long diagnosis of mental illness or addiction." (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/29/yoga-herbs-and-sunshine-new-zealand-opens-humane-jail-for-most-violent-inmates https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/29/yoga-herbs-and...)
Seems like there's an argument to be had, which makes me view the rest of the piece suspiciously.
[Edited to insert context on what "this claim" is]
- et2o 5y agoNew Zealand is lower than almost all other western countries and is about 1/10th of the US
- erehweb 5y agoNZ is higher than most, if not all of Western Europe, and Canada, per https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarcera...
- creamytaco 5y agoWhat you wrote makes me view the Guardian take suspiciously rather than the OP and also fails to address in any way the argument since you -conveniently- ignore all but a tiny fraction that you found a Guardian opinion piece to seemingly not support. An opinion piece that's also demonstrably false by the way, NZ does not have one of the highest incarceration rates in the developed world: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarcera...
- erehweb 5y agoLooking at your chart, it has NZ at 188, UK at 114, FR 87, Germany 69, Canada 107. NZ looks higher on a skim than most (all) of Western Europe. What do you think I'm missing?
- creamytaco 5y agoYou can keep rearranging words around trying to make reality fit your expectations, but I'd say this isn't a useful modeling strategy for going about life. This is what you're missing.