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There is a lot of pop music that take melodies from classical pieces, they sound just like any other pop song. There is more to Schubert, or the Beatles for tha

There is a lot of pop music that take melodies from classical pieces, they sound just like any other pop song. There is more to Schubert, or the Beatles for that matter, than a talent for melody. By the way, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Johann Strauss, and a few others born after Schubert were at least just as good melodists as Lennon and McCartney.

vixen99 5y ago
Oh that's too generous. 'At least' is surely a bit strong. How about nearly as good? I'm wondering if folk like Bach, Mozart and Verdi might be considered to make the grade? One or two good numbers, possibly? Anyway in a couple of hundred years we'll see how the works of Lennon and McCartney are faring versus the classics crowd. (Or is the laugh on me for having a defective irony detector)
callmeal 5y ago
Rachmaninoff heavily influenced Eric Carmen and others: https://www.cmuse.org/you-cant-believe-how-much-rachmaninoff-influenced-popular-music/ https://www.cmuse.org/you-cant-believe-how-much-rachmaninoff... >> As far as derivative works are concerned, the adagio theme (the second movement) appears in the ballad All By Myself (1975) by Eric Carmen, who subsequently explained that Rachmaninoff was “his favourite music.” The following year, he released Never Gonna Fall in Love Again, which, in turn, was based on the third movement from Rachmaninoff’s Symphony n.2. >> >> Little did Carmen know, however, that Rachmaninoff’s music, which he quoted extensively, was not in the public domain, as the Rachmaninoff estate informed him after the release of his album. The two parts, however, managed to reach an agreement: the estate would receive 12% of the royalties both from “All by Myself” and “Never Gonna Fall in Love again.”
- jacquesm 5y ago
  I think that went beyond 'heavily influenced'. He just made a song on top of an existing melody.
jancsika 5y ago
Plus Rossini, Dvorak, Bizet, Saint-Saens, Puccini... even Wagner's wedding march from Lohengrin is probably second only to Happy Birthday in terms of ubiquitous melodies. And of course there's Schumann's Träumerei from Kinderszenen, a long lyrical melody which hulks out from the very beginning to break free from barline jail. Guess what Horowitz chose for his final encore when he returned to Russia after 50 years for a concert in Moscow in 1986? It wasn't "Back in the USSR." (Hee hee.)
acjohnson55 5y ago
Chopin, especially, in my opinion. His Nocturnes are sublime. He was an absolute master of melody.
- voldacar 5y ago
  His opus 28 preludes are also particularly excellent imo
  - acjohnson55 5y ago
    Yes, so good. I often listen to both the nocturnes and the preludes as a sequence. I like a bunch of his other stuff, too, but if he only wrote the nocturnes and preludes, that would be enough for me.

vixen99 5y ago

Oh that's too generous. 'At least' is surely a bit strong. How about nearly as good? I'm wondering if folk like Bach, Mozart and Verdi might be considered to make the grade? One or two good numbers, possibly? Anyway in a couple of hundred years we'll see how the works of Lennon and McCartney are faring versus the classics crowd. (Or is the laugh on me for having a defective irony detector)

callmeal 5y ago

Rachmaninoff heavily influenced Eric Carmen and others: https://www.cmuse.org/you-cant-believe-how-much-rachmaninoff-influenced-popular-music/ https://www.cmuse.org/you-cant-believe-how-much-rachmaninoff... >> As far as derivative works are concerned, the adagio theme (the second movement) appears in the ballad All By Myself (1975) by Eric Carmen, who subsequently explained that Rachmaninoff was “his favourite music.” The following year, he released Never Gonna Fall in Love Again, which, in turn, was based on the third movement from Rachmaninoff’s Symphony n.2. >> >> Little did Carmen know, however, that Rachmaninoff’s music, which he quoted extensively, was not in the public domain, as the Rachmaninoff estate informed him after the release of his album. The two parts, however, managed to reach an agreement: the estate would receive 12% of the royalties both from “All by Myself” and “Never Gonna Fall in Love again.”

jacquesm 5y ago
I think that went beyond 'heavily influenced'. He just made a song on top of an existing melody.

jancsika 5y ago

Plus Rossini, Dvorak, Bizet, Saint-Saens, Puccini... even Wagner's wedding march from Lohengrin is probably second only to Happy Birthday in terms of ubiquitous melodies. And of course there's Schumann's Träumerei from Kinderszenen, a long lyrical melody which hulks out from the very beginning to break free from barline jail. Guess what Horowitz chose for his final encore when he returned to Russia after 50 years for a concert in Moscow in 1986? It wasn't "Back in the USSR." (Hee hee.)

acjohnson55 5y ago

Chopin, especially, in my opinion. His Nocturnes are sublime. He was an absolute master of melody.

voldacar 5y ago
His opus 28 preludes are also particularly excellent imo
- acjohnson55 5y ago
  Yes, so good. I often listen to both the nocturnes and the preludes as a sequence. I like a bunch of his other stuff, too, but if he only wrote the nocturnes and preludes, that would be enough for me.