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"It’s difficult to support undergrad without good researchers and an accompanying grad school. Or rather, it is superficially possible, but in a couple generati
by spekcular 5y ago
"It’s difficult to support undergrad without good researchers and an accompanying grad school. Or rather, it is superficially possible, but in a couple generations (academic ones, i.e. in a decade or two), as graduates of the school assume teaching positions, a kind of vicious circle of degeneration sets in [...]"
I don't agree with this. First, because there are a bunch of elite liberal arts colleges in the US that serve as direct counterexamples. Second, because the teachers at these schools are not typically drawn from graduates of the school, but from PhD graduates of mid- to high-ranking research programs.
To give one example, Francis Su (who writes a lot about math education) teaches at Harvey Mudd – an excellent institution with no graduate program – and earned a PhD from Harvard.
Also:
"Unfortunately, the amount of places in the world doing fundamental maths, places diverse enough that you can stand in the hallway and find someone who can explain to you a subject far removed from your own (that’s essentially what counts as “world-class”), is perhaps a couple dozen, certainly not in the hundreds."
This is just wrong. Diversity is not really essential to the ranking or quality of a department. Plenty of top places eschew certain subjects (logic, combinatorics) or have relatively narrow tastes (NYU Courant, Princeton ORFE). Building strong groups in a few focus areas is much more important for research productivity. It sucks to be the only person doing Subject X at a certain place.
- tzs 5y ago> Harvey Mudd – an excellent institution with no graduate program It is one of the Claremont Colleges though, a consortium of 5 undergraduate schools and 2 graduate schools in Claremont that share many facilities and programs. 6 of the 7 have adjacent campuses. Students in the Claremont undergraduate schools can take classes at the graduate schools (an at the other undergraduate schools). I'd expect that this gives Harvey Mudd students most of any advantages that going to an undergraduate school that has a graduate school does.