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Think about what you are saying: you are impressed that a driver assistance system is almost safe enough for you to use. That is not impressive. That is Tesla f

by togaen 5y ago

Think about what you are saying: you are impressed that a driver assistance system is almost safe enough for you to use. That is not impressive. That is Tesla failing to meet the absolute minimum bar necessary to even deploy this kind of stuff in the first place. Imagine if Ford or GM were putting out systems like this… heads would be rolling. But since it’s Elon doing it, somehow it’s okay and makes his company worth a trillion dollars. Madness.

md2020 5y ago
> But since it’s Elon doing it, somehow it’s okay and makes his company worth a trillion dollars Most comments on HN and Reddit (even the largely pro-Tesla subreddits like r/TeslaMotors) are people complaining about how bad FSD is and how ridiculous it is that it's allowed. Missy Cummings, who has a history of publicly calling out Tesla on their unsafe roll-out of FSD, was just made a senior safety advisor for NHTSA. So I disagree with your idea that somehow this is a case of everyone loving something because it's Elon. I'd also disagree that this isn't an impressive feat. If Tesla has been able to build a pipeline that allows them to incrementally improve FSD up to the point where it's almost as good as a human, then it indicates that they could probably continue to incrementally improve the performance past being as good as an (average) human, at least up to a point. On the trillion dollar valuation, obligatory reference to Efficient Market Hypothesis. FSD is not the sole thing driving the stock to that price.
cs702 5y ago
That is not what I'm saying. Please don't attack a straw man. What I'm actually saying, if you read everything I wrote above, is that Tesla FSD has progressed faster than I'd realized, so I've changed my mind about its prospects. I now expect it will become safe (as in, safer than me) for everyday driving in the not too distant future.
- p1esk 5y ago
  "Safe enough for me" does not mean, and is not equivalent to, "safer than me".
  - cs702 5y ago
    In my case it is equivalent, because my litmus test for adopting self-driving ("safe enough for me") is whether it the software is at least as good (i.e., as safe) at driving as me. Judging by the videos of people testing the most recent versions , I would say Tesla FSD is already better at driving (safer) than me a majority of the time. Here are some examples of FSD reacting to crazy road situations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ7vziuw420 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ7vziuw420 -- judge for yourself.

by togaen 5y ago

md2020 5y ago

> But since it’s Elon doing it, somehow it’s okay and makes his company worth a trillion dollars Most comments on HN and Reddit (even the largely pro-Tesla subreddits like r/TeslaMotors) are people complaining about how bad FSD is and how ridiculous it is that it's allowed. Missy Cummings, who has a history of publicly calling out Tesla on their unsafe roll-out of FSD, was just made a senior safety advisor for NHTSA. So I disagree with your idea that somehow this is a case of everyone loving something because it's Elon. I'd also disagree that this isn't an impressive feat. If Tesla has been able to build a pipeline that allows them to incrementally improve FSD up to the point where it's almost as good as a human, then it indicates that they could probably continue to incrementally improve the performance past being as good as an (average) human, at least up to a point. On the trillion dollar valuation, obligatory reference to Efficient Market Hypothesis. FSD is not the sole thing driving the stock to that price.

cs702 5y ago

That is not what I'm saying. Please don't attack a straw man. What I'm actually saying, if you read everything I wrote above, is that Tesla FSD has progressed faster than I'd realized, so I've changed my mind about its prospects. I now expect it will become safe (as in, safer than me) for everyday driving in the not too distant future.

p1esk 5y ago
"Safe enough for me" does not mean, and is not equivalent to, "safer than me".
- cs702 5y ago
  In my case it is equivalent, because my litmus test for adopting self-driving ("safe enough for me") is whether it the software is at least as good (i.e., as safe) at driving as me. Judging by the videos of people testing the most recent versions , I would say Tesla FSD is already better at driving (safer) than me a majority of the time. Here are some examples of FSD reacting to crazy road situations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ7vziuw420 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ7vziuw420 -- judge for yourself.