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Note that there are two “FSD Beta” programs: 1. The paid software unlock for “Full Self Driving” (currently in “beta”) available to everyone, which provides au

Note that there are two “FSD Beta” programs: 1. The paid software unlock for “Full Self Driving” (currently in “beta”) available to everyone, which provides automatic driving from on-ramp to off-ramp, and a handful of parking features like auto-park and summon: https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#usingautopilot https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#usingautopilot 2. The invite-only “FSD Beta” that unlocks the above FSD features on city streets, which is available to a subset of customers w/#1 who have very high Tesla Safety Scores.

jimkleiber 5y ago
I feel confused why 1) they would call both programs by the same name (arguing that an acronym is pretty much the same name) and 2) why the government even allows them to call it Full Self Driving, when there are levels of autonomous driving and I imagine most would assume Full means the highest level, which, Tesla has not yet achieved from everything I've read.
- qbasic_forever 5y ago
  If you wanted to stall and mire an investigation in process then having two separate systems named almost exactly the same thing and constantly quibbling over semantics of them would be a good way to do it.
- wongarsu 5y ago
  > I imagine most would assume Full means the highest level USB 2.0 got away with Full Speed/High Speed (with high being more than full)
  - rsynnott 5y ago
    Those weren't marketing names; that is, no-one was being presented with devices labeled "USB Full Speed (meaning USB1.1 full speed)" and buying them on the basis that that must be better than "USB High Speed".
  - bastawhiz 5y ago
    USB failures likely don't result in the serious injury or death of the user
  - jimkleiber 5y ago
    Maybe with a USB "full speed" I assume it's the fastest that the current USB could go. For some reason, with self driving, the modifier "full" makes me think level 5 autonomy, which I'm almost certain it does not have. Actually, NHTSA defines[0] level 5 as: "An automated driving system (ADS) on the vehicle can do all the driving in all circumstances. The human occupants are just passengers and need never be involved in driving." [0]: https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicles-safety https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicl...
    - rsynnott 5y ago
      > Maybe with a USB "full speed" I assume it's the fastest that the current USB could go. That's correct; "Full speed" refers to the higher speed profile for USB1.1. It's a historical artifact, at this point, and wasn't generally used for marketing purposes.
  - smnrchrds 5y ago
    "I Can't Believe It's Not Self-Driving"
- numpad0 5y ago
  “Beta” classification for the former is a post facto excuse after a fatal crash(there were naturally several). The latter is actual unfinished software(called Beta but more of Alpha/PoC).

jimkleiber 5y ago

I feel confused why 1) they would call both programs by the same name (arguing that an acronym is pretty much the same name) and 2) why the government even allows them to call it Full Self Driving, when there are levels of autonomous driving and I imagine most would assume Full means the highest level, which, Tesla has not yet achieved from everything I've read.

qbasic_forever 5y ago
If you wanted to stall and mire an investigation in process then having two separate systems named almost exactly the same thing and constantly quibbling over semantics of them would be a good way to do it.
wongarsu 5y ago
> I imagine most would assume Full means the highest level USB 2.0 got away with Full Speed/High Speed (with high being more than full)
- rsynnott 5y ago
  Those weren't marketing names; that is, no-one was being presented with devices labeled "USB Full Speed (meaning USB1.1 full speed)" and buying them on the basis that that must be better than "USB High Speed".
- bastawhiz 5y ago
  USB failures likely don't result in the serious injury or death of the user
- jimkleiber 5y ago
  Maybe with a USB "full speed" I assume it's the fastest that the current USB could go. For some reason, with self driving, the modifier "full" makes me think level 5 autonomy, which I'm almost certain it does not have. Actually, NHTSA defines[0] level 5 as: "An automated driving system (ADS) on the vehicle can do all the driving in all circumstances. The human occupants are just passengers and need never be involved in driving." [0]: https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicles-safety https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicl...
  - rsynnott 5y ago
    > Maybe with a USB "full speed" I assume it's the fastest that the current USB could go. That's correct; "Full speed" refers to the higher speed profile for USB1.1. It's a historical artifact, at this point, and wasn't generally used for marketing purposes.
- smnrchrds 5y ago
  "I Can't Believe It's Not Self-Driving"
numpad0 5y ago
“Beta” classification for the former is a post facto excuse after a fatal crash(there were naturally several). The latter is actual unfinished software(called Beta but more of Alpha/PoC).