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> So if someone robs you, then you shouldn't call the police on them? That's a direct implication of your statement here. No the opposite. You should call the

> So if someone robs you, then you shouldn't call the police on them? That's a direct implication of your statement here. No the opposite. You should call the police on them and let them deal with it. You shouldn't attempt to put any pressure on them yourself. > avoiding any substance Don't harass people. Use proper procedure to resolve disputes instead of calling them at their home.

mindslight 5y ago
> Use proper procedure to resolve disputes That's really the depth of your thinking here? Sheesh, why did I bother?
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  Here's a practical reason if moral reasons don't work for you. If calling them at 2 am for some reason doesn't get the business result you want, and you have to go to court, the court'll ask you what reasonable steps you've already tried to resolve amicably, and the judge will think you're in the wrong when your opponent brings out a log of your 2 am calls to their residential address. Suddenly it'll look like they were just doing legitimate business and you were threatening and harassing. Even if you aren't a moral person, it pays to do things properly.
  - mindslight 5y ago
    From my very first comment: > Two wrongs don't make a right, and it certainly may be imprudent to escalate The root of the hacker mindset is looking at alternative solutions that go against the common narrative. It sounds like this method worked out for OP, so it is worth considering. I don't think I personally would go down this path due to possible complications, its utter pettiness, and the fact it is very easy to silence phones at off hours. But depending on the situation, maybe it would make sense. I am a very moral person, hence having thought these things through. You're the one taking the shortcut of assuming anything done through "proper procedure" is moral. In my book, calling the cops on someone is most certainly escalating the situation and causing them personal stress. Deferring to the system is not an absolution from moral reasoning.

mindslight 5y ago

> Use proper procedure to resolve disputes That's really the depth of your thinking here? Sheesh, why did I bother?

chrisseaton 5y ago
Here's a practical reason if moral reasons don't work for you. If calling them at 2 am for some reason doesn't get the business result you want, and you have to go to court, the court'll ask you what reasonable steps you've already tried to resolve amicably, and the judge will think you're in the wrong when your opponent brings out a log of your 2 am calls to their residential address. Suddenly it'll look like they were just doing legitimate business and you were threatening and harassing. Even if you aren't a moral person, it pays to do things properly.
- mindslight 5y ago
  From my very first comment: > Two wrongs don't make a right, and it certainly may be imprudent to escalate The root of the hacker mindset is looking at alternative solutions that go against the common narrative. It sounds like this method worked out for OP, so it is worth considering. I don't think I personally would go down this path due to possible complications, its utter pettiness, and the fact it is very easy to silence phones at off hours. But depending on the situation, maybe it would make sense. I am a very moral person, hence having thought these things through. You're the one taking the shortcut of assuming anything done through "proper procedure" is moral. In my book, calling the cops on someone is most certainly escalating the situation and causing them personal stress. Deferring to the system is not an absolution from moral reasoning.