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> the only way I can foresee open source working in the way the purists want is if there is a universal basic income. Essentially honest FOSS will be available

> the only way I can foresee open source working in the way the purists want is if there is a universal basic income. Essentially honest FOSS will be available when we evolve to "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"[1] type of society. Human race is clearly on asymptotical track to that. But not yet. [1] (C) 1875, Karl Marx.

smitty1e 5y ago
Moltke seems more credible than Marx: “No plan of operations extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy’s main strength.” http://connect2amc.com/118-strategic-planning-moltke-the-elder-dwight-eisenhower-winston-churchill-and-just-a-little-mike-tyson http://connect2amc.com/118-strategic-planning-moltke-the-eld...
- c-smile 5y ago
  That citation appears as irrelevant completely to the topic. If you want more relevant citation then this: "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" (C) Lao Tzu For that matter I would say that first major step to real FOSS was made in 1917. But it was too early and shouldn't that brutally enforced. Evolution is the only reasonable way to get anywhere in such complex systems. Relevant fact: all hardware and software in USSR was Open Source. Any non-trivial product must be and was accompanied by full schematics. Software sources must be printed out, etc. By law.
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    "That citation appears as irrelevant completely to the topic." The point was, that marxism as a theory is only a plan - and that plan did not really worked out in reality so far. And if you want to paint the USSR in a golden FOSS picture, well I would suggest talking with people who actually lived there and were not in a privileged party position. And it would be news to me, that the USSR published their tank, aircraft or rockets schematics.
    - c-smile 5y ago
      > USSR in a golden FOSS picture I do not have such intention. I just wanted to point out particular fact. > I would suggest talking with people who actually lived there I do that every day. With myself. > privileged party position That's definitely not about myself. > the USSR published their tank, aircraft or rockets schematics. I had a rank of Lieutenant (Reserve) of Strategic Forces of USSR and specialty "Control Systems of Ballistic Missiles". Trust me, end users of these devices had full schematics :)
    - DarylZero 5y ago
      >marxism as a theory is only a plan It's not a plan. Marx specifically avoided any such planning and explained why. Marxism is a theory about capitalism. It's not a plan at all.
      - hutzlibu 5y ago
        "Marx specifically avoided any such planning and explained why." Where did he say so? Because marxism as I know it, surely is and has a plan. A plan to completely reshape society and economy. Dictatorship of the proletariat ... until the state of real communism is achieved. Can it be, you only heard of the capital, but not the communist Manifest?
        DarylZero 5y ago
        Marx did use the phrase commonly translated "dictatorship of the proletariat." But he certainly did not publish a plan for how to achieve it. He did the exact opposite, he explained why he thought such a plan should not be published. > Can it be, you only heard of the capital, but not the communist Manifest? The Communist Manifesto -- which is a statement of the Communist Party rather than Marx, though he wrote it -- includes a political platform, but read the platform and you see, it is mostly just social democratic reforms. At most, it approaches "revolutionary reform" (i.e., reforms meant to make revolution possible). It certainly isn't a description of the "dictatorship of the proletariat." You won't ever find that and cite it.
  - smitty1e 5y ago
    "The difference between theory and practice is greater in practice than in theory."--Herb Sutter in C++ User's Journal
- soco 5y ago
  Mike Tyson: "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
durovo 5y ago
But each according to their needs in the end devolves into each according to their abilities. There was never a need for computers, there was never a need for the internet. I would say that it is tough to say whether there is any need for a person to live. On the other hand if you let people define their own needs, you end up with the scenario where one needs 1 billion dollars.

smitty1e 5y ago

Moltke seems more credible than Marx: “No plan of operations extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy’s main strength.” http://connect2amc.com/118-strategic-planning-moltke-the-elder-dwight-eisenhower-winston-churchill-and-just-a-little-mike-tyson http://connect2amc.com/118-strategic-planning-moltke-the-eld...

c-smile 5y ago
That citation appears as irrelevant completely to the topic. If you want more relevant citation then this: "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step" (C) Lao Tzu For that matter I would say that first major step to real FOSS was made in 1917. But it was too early and shouldn't that brutally enforced. Evolution is the only reasonable way to get anywhere in such complex systems. Relevant fact: all hardware and software in USSR was Open Source. Any non-trivial product must be and was accompanied by full schematics. Software sources must be printed out, etc. By law.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  "That citation appears as irrelevant completely to the topic." The point was, that marxism as a theory is only a plan - and that plan did not really worked out in reality so far. And if you want to paint the USSR in a golden FOSS picture, well I would suggest talking with people who actually lived there and were not in a privileged party position. And it would be news to me, that the USSR published their tank, aircraft or rockets schematics.
  - c-smile 5y ago
    > USSR in a golden FOSS picture I do not have such intention. I just wanted to point out particular fact. > I would suggest talking with people who actually lived there I do that every day. With myself. > privileged party position That's definitely not about myself. > the USSR published their tank, aircraft or rockets schematics. I had a rank of Lieutenant (Reserve) of Strategic Forces of USSR and specialty "Control Systems of Ballistic Missiles". Trust me, end users of these devices had full schematics :)
  - DarylZero 5y ago
    >marxism as a theory is only a plan It's not a plan. Marx specifically avoided any such planning and explained why. Marxism is a theory about capitalism. It's not a plan at all.
    - hutzlibu 5y ago
      "Marx specifically avoided any such planning and explained why." Where did he say so? Because marxism as I know it, surely is and has a plan. A plan to completely reshape society and economy. Dictatorship of the proletariat ... until the state of real communism is achieved. Can it be, you only heard of the capital, but not the communist Manifest?
      - DarylZero 5y ago
        Marx did use the phrase commonly translated "dictatorship of the proletariat." But he certainly did not publish a plan for how to achieve it. He did the exact opposite, he explained why he thought such a plan should not be published. > Can it be, you only heard of the capital, but not the communist Manifest? The Communist Manifesto -- which is a statement of the Communist Party rather than Marx, though he wrote it -- includes a political platform, but read the platform and you see, it is mostly just social democratic reforms. At most, it approaches "revolutionary reform" (i.e., reforms meant to make revolution possible). It certainly isn't a description of the "dictatorship of the proletariat." You won't ever find that and cite it.
- smitty1e 5y ago
  "The difference between theory and practice is greater in practice than in theory."--Herb Sutter in C++ User's Journal
soco 5y ago
Mike Tyson: "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

durovo 5y ago

But each according to their needs in the end devolves into each according to their abilities. There was never a need for computers, there was never a need for the internet. I would say that it is tough to say whether there is any need for a person to live. On the other hand if you let people define their own needs, you end up with the scenario where one needs 1 billion dollars.