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It's probably not a good idea to get every single vaccines that's not recommended to you by the CDC/your doctor. Vaccines could potentially trigger some danger

by kiba 5y ago

It's probably not a good idea to get every single vaccines that's not recommended to you by the CDC/your doctor. Vaccines could potentially trigger some dangerous side effects, however rare it is.

hasmolo 5y ago
don't drive cars, they can crash and it can be fatal while having other side effects, however rare they are.
- userbinator 5y ago
  I don't know anyone who finds getting vaccinated to be pleasurable, unlike driving.
  - freen 5y ago
    Now you have an N of one. I found it highly pleasurable.
- TravHatesMe 5y ago
  One is a conscious decision the other is rolling the dice.
  - wesleywt 5y ago
    Both are rolling dice/die?
  - dunefox 5y ago
    Both are the same.
- matbatt38 5y ago
  This but unironically
- hattar 5y ago
  Ignoring the sarcasm, more than 32,000 people are killed and 2 million are injured each year from motor vehicle crashes in the US. It’s no heart disease (600,000+ deaths - leading cause in the US) but for the healthy and young, it’s a leading cause of death/side effects (injury). So in some sense you’re probably right.
- kiba 5y ago
  Taking vaccine is a cost/benefit tradeoff, even if the tradeoff is often lopsided in favor of vaccine. However, vaccine for incredibly rare or non-existent disease isn't likely worth the tradeoff. Or maybe a particular vaccine is too dangerous or experimental. Anyway, if the CDC recommend a vaccine for something, it's likely that they had looked into it and decided that the upside is worth more than the risk.
- newsbinator 5y ago
  I agree with that statement (not sarcastic)
- nend 5y ago
  I mean driving is easily the most dangerous thing people do on a daily basis. It's the leading cause of death for Americans under 55. You're not really making the point you think you are.
- majkinetor 5y ago
  There seem to be a lot of "side effects" of driving cars, in fantastic amounts, you isolated only 1: 1. You can become invalid 2. You can kill buss of kids 3. You can go to jail 4. It can be very hard on your finance 5. You can have your car stolen 6. You can lose your nerves 7. There are bunch of diseases involved due to gasses etc... Basically, every single person I know had some problem with the car. Probably the best not to have them.
- saltyfamiliar 5y ago
  Cars are the worst. Side effects include air pollution, cancer, death of nearby pedestrians, municipal neglect of sidewalks, extreme inefficiency of resources resulting from rolling around a 2000 pound hunk of metal for every 180 pound person that wants get anywhere, sprawling asphalt deserts, weight gain and death. Don't bother contacting anyone if you experience one or more of these symptoms.
ralusek 5y ago
Vaccines are also, themselves, not exactly GOOD for you. They're just eliciting an immune response in order to obtain immunological defense at a theoretically/hopefully lower cost than the alternative infection. Subjecting yourself to immune response, which for some vaccines can have high amount of reactogenicity, is having your body undergo heavy inflammation, a fair amount of tissue damage, etc. The people that just treat vaccines like they're a wheatgrass shot is pretty strange.
- DeWilde 5y ago
  I have a rare condition related to insulin resistance and diabetes, blood sugar spikes greatly worsen my health. Discovered that vaccines spike sugar prety significantly after getting my two shots this year. Won't be getting boosters anytime soon as the side effects were gruesome.
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  - eloff 5y ago
    My parents both reported consistent elevated blood sugar levels after getting the Pfizer vaccine. Not sure if it was related or just coincidence, but there seem numerous reports of the same online. It should be temporary though.
    - DeWilde 5y ago
      The immune response causes elevated blood sugar, among other things, for around 2 weeks. For most people this is not really harmful but for people with blood glucose problems it can cause severe issues.
      - eloff 5y ago
        They became aware of the issue after a couple months after the second dose. The trouble with anecdotal evidence like this is there's no way to know if that was caused by the vaccine or would have happened anyway. Other people have reported similar things online. Again one must take it with a grain of salt.
Frost1x 5y ago
Definitely. We have a tremendous amount of risk aversion these days and a culture that has disdain for risk, even calculated abstract risks. What many don't realize is being too risk averse comes with its own risks, it also requires accurate risk assessment so you can make the correct decisions on when to take a risk and not. You could lockup in complete fear akin to analysis paralysis where non-zero risk keeps you from doing anything. Just skimming the CDC list of common vaccines in use in the US, do most really need vaccines for everything: anthrax, Japanese encephalitis, polio, rabies, smallpox, tetanus, tuberculosis, typhoid fever, and yellow fever? If you're not traveling outside the US and living a fairly normal life, most likely not and some of these have potentially nasty yet rare side effects. If they were given/taken at the scale COVID vaccines were, many would die from such side effect who otherwise would have lived healthy lives, all because they took an unnecessary risk trying to prevent a very low risk. COVID is an exception because of exposure and transmissibiliy, the rare side effects are worth the risk for most people because the chance of getting it and having a life ending result is relatively high. TB, tetanus, and rabies may be useful vaccines for some professions or life exposures in high risk cases, say veteranarians and healthcare workers, but for the most part, you probably don't need it. If you travel a lot to certain locations and say do missionary type work or whatever, perhaps some others make sense as well. Should every sexually active person take PrEP regularly since HIV is a potential risk to everyone? No, there are populations of risk exposure where it makes sense though. Your dentist only takes x-rays every so often because the x-ray exposure increases risk of various forms of cancer. You could get x-rays more frequently to detect issues that might not be obvious to your dentist but it's pretty low risk, there has been a lot of study into the rate of progression of disease and risk tradeoff to help your dentist determine a reasonable frequency for x-rays vs radiation exposure. If you start looking at your regular risks, you take many risks across a lot of aspects of life every single day, even in a modestly safe life style, from hopping in a car to picking up takeout at a local resturaunt or even walking down a street. A massive unknown asteroid could be on a collision course with Earth right now that results in mass extinction ending the human race or a gamma ray burst from inside our galaxy could set the atmosphere on fire and radiate us all to death near instantly... they are all non-zero yet incredibly low risk to our understanding probabilisticly. They're so low and some even inactionable that we need to ignore them and/or treat them with low priority and continue on with life. It's good to have a preventative mindset and take preventative action to try and control and manage risk, but in order to do this effectively, be sure you assess your risks, or have someone knowledgable (like a doctor when it comes to vaccines) lay it out for you so you can make a good decision about what you should or shouldn't do. If you truly can do the assessment yourself then by all means do it but it doesn't hurt to explain your assessment and rationale to someone knowledgeable to make sure you're not overlooking something. It certainly is possible to perform a better risk assessment for yourself than anyone else will be able to because you can know your behaviors and exposures better than anyone else but be careful playing this game.

by kiba 5y ago

It's probably not a good idea to get every single vaccines that's not recommended to you by the CDC/your doctor. Vaccines could potentially trigger some dangerous side effects, however rare it is.

hasmolo 5y ago

don't drive cars, they can crash and it can be fatal while having other side effects, however rare they are.

userbinator 5y ago
I don't know anyone who finds getting vaccinated to be pleasurable, unlike driving.
- freen 5y ago
  Now you have an N of one. I found it highly pleasurable.
TravHatesMe 5y ago
One is a conscious decision the other is rolling the dice.
- wesleywt 5y ago
  Both are rolling dice/die?
- dunefox 5y ago
  Both are the same.
matbatt38 5y ago
This but unironically
hattar 5y ago
Ignoring the sarcasm, more than 32,000 people are killed and 2 million are injured each year from motor vehicle crashes in the US. It’s no heart disease (600,000+ deaths - leading cause in the US) but for the healthy and young, it’s a leading cause of death/side effects (injury). So in some sense you’re probably right.
kiba 5y ago
Taking vaccine is a cost/benefit tradeoff, even if the tradeoff is often lopsided in favor of vaccine. However, vaccine for incredibly rare or non-existent disease isn't likely worth the tradeoff. Or maybe a particular vaccine is too dangerous or experimental. Anyway, if the CDC recommend a vaccine for something, it's likely that they had looked into it and decided that the upside is worth more than the risk.
newsbinator 5y ago
I agree with that statement (not sarcastic)
nend 5y ago
I mean driving is easily the most dangerous thing people do on a daily basis. It's the leading cause of death for Americans under 55. You're not really making the point you think you are.
majkinetor 5y ago
There seem to be a lot of "side effects" of driving cars, in fantastic amounts, you isolated only 1: 1. You can become invalid 2. You can kill buss of kids 3. You can go to jail 4. It can be very hard on your finance 5. You can have your car stolen 6. You can lose your nerves 7. There are bunch of diseases involved due to gasses etc... Basically, every single person I know had some problem with the car. Probably the best not to have them.
saltyfamiliar 5y ago
Cars are the worst. Side effects include air pollution, cancer, death of nearby pedestrians, municipal neglect of sidewalks, extreme inefficiency of resources resulting from rolling around a 2000 pound hunk of metal for every 180 pound person that wants get anywhere, sprawling asphalt deserts, weight gain and death. Don't bother contacting anyone if you experience one or more of these symptoms.

ralusek 5y ago

Vaccines are also, themselves, not exactly GOOD for you. They're just eliciting an immune response in order to obtain immunological defense at a theoretically/hopefully lower cost than the alternative infection. Subjecting yourself to immune response, which for some vaccines can have high amount of reactogenicity, is having your body undergo heavy inflammation, a fair amount of tissue damage, etc. The people that just treat vaccines like they're a wheatgrass shot is pretty strange.

DeWilde 5y ago
I have a rare condition related to insulin resistance and diabetes, blood sugar spikes greatly worsen my health. Discovered that vaccines spike sugar prety significantly after getting my two shots this year. Won't be getting boosters anytime soon as the side effects were gruesome.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- eloff 5y ago
  My parents both reported consistent elevated blood sugar levels after getting the Pfizer vaccine. Not sure if it was related or just coincidence, but there seem numerous reports of the same online. It should be temporary though.
  - DeWilde 5y ago
    The immune response causes elevated blood sugar, among other things, for around 2 weeks. For most people this is not really harmful but for people with blood glucose problems it can cause severe issues.
    - eloff 5y ago
      They became aware of the issue after a couple months after the second dose. The trouble with anecdotal evidence like this is there's no way to know if that was caused by the vaccine or would have happened anyway. Other people have reported similar things online. Again one must take it with a grain of salt.

Frost1x 5y ago

Definitely. We have a tremendous amount of risk aversion these days and a culture that has disdain for risk, even calculated abstract risks. What many don't realize is being too risk averse comes with its own risks, it also requires accurate risk assessment so you can make the correct decisions on when to take a risk and not. You could lockup in complete fear akin to analysis paralysis where non-zero risk keeps you from doing anything. Just skimming the CDC list of common vaccines in use in the US, do most really need vaccines for everything: anthrax, Japanese encephalitis, polio, rabies, smallpox, tetanus, tuberculosis, typhoid fever, and yellow fever? If you're not traveling outside the US and living a fairly normal life, most likely not and some of these have potentially nasty yet rare side effects. If they were given/taken at the scale COVID vaccines were, many would die from such side effect who otherwise would have lived healthy lives, all because they took an unnecessary risk trying to prevent a very low risk. COVID is an exception because of exposure and transmissibiliy, the rare side effects are worth the risk for most people because the chance of getting it and having a life ending result is relatively high. TB, tetanus, and rabies may be useful vaccines for some professions or life exposures in high risk cases, say veteranarians and healthcare workers, but for the most part, you probably don't need it. If you travel a lot to certain locations and say do missionary type work or whatever, perhaps some others make sense as well. Should every sexually active person take PrEP regularly since HIV is a potential risk to everyone? No, there are populations of risk exposure where it makes sense though. Your dentist only takes x-rays every so often because the x-ray exposure increases risk of various forms of cancer. You could get x-rays more frequently to detect issues that might not be obvious to your dentist but it's pretty low risk, there has been a lot of study into the rate of progression of disease and risk tradeoff to help your dentist determine a reasonable frequency for x-rays vs radiation exposure. If you start looking at your regular risks, you take many risks across a lot of aspects of life every single day, even in a modestly safe life style, from hopping in a car to picking up takeout at a local resturaunt or even walking down a street. A massive unknown asteroid could be on a collision course with Earth right now that results in mass extinction ending the human race or a gamma ray burst from inside our galaxy could set the atmosphere on fire and radiate us all to death near instantly... they are all non-zero yet incredibly low risk to our understanding probabilisticly. They're so low and some even inactionable that we need to ignore them and/or treat them with low priority and continue on with life. It's good to have a preventative mindset and take preventative action to try and control and manage risk, but in order to do this effectively, be sure you assess your risks, or have someone knowledgable (like a doctor when it comes to vaccines) lay it out for you so you can make a good decision about what you should or shouldn't do. If you truly can do the assessment yourself then by all means do it but it doesn't hurt to explain your assessment and rationale to someone knowledgeable to make sure you're not overlooking something. It certainly is possible to perform a better risk assessment for yourself than anyone else will be able to because you can know your behaviors and exposures better than anyone else but be careful playing this game.