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Sign me up for this the second it is available. As an aside, to spite anti vaxxers I’m on a mission to get every vaccine I can. I want my bloodstream to be li
by JohnJamesRambo 5y ago
Sign me up for this the second it is available.
As an aside, to spite anti vaxxers I’m on a mission to get every vaccine I can. I want my bloodstream to be like the Library at Alexandria before it burned down.
- dukeofdoom 5y agoAnd yet you still won't be fully protected. Seems to me there's lots of vaxx regret from the double dosed, when they find out about omicron. I'll check if you post in a few months. Otherwise, thank you for your contribution to science. In the mean time, don't recommend taking up competitive soccer.
- mechanical_bear 5y agoVaxx regret? Nah, I’m good.
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- dang 5y agoPlease don't post generic flamebait to HN, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- kiba 5y agoIt's probably not a good idea to get every single vaccines that's not recommended to you by the CDC/your doctor. Vaccines could potentially trigger some dangerous side effects, however rare it is.
- hasmolo 5y agodon't drive cars, they can crash and it can be fatal while having other side effects, however rare they are.
- userbinator 5y agoI don't know anyone who finds getting vaccinated to be pleasurable, unlike driving.
- freen 5y agoNow you have an N of one. I found it highly pleasurable.
- TravHatesMe 5y agoOne is a conscious decision the other is rolling the dice.
- matbatt38 5y agoThis but unironically
- hattar 5y agoIgnoring the sarcasm, more than 32,000 people are killed and 2 million are injured each year from motor vehicle crashes in the US. It’s no heart disease (600,000+ deaths - leading cause in the US) but for the healthy and young, it’s a leading cause of death/side effects (injury). So in some sense you’re probably right.
- kiba 5y agoTaking vaccine is a cost/benefit tradeoff, even if the tradeoff is often lopsided in favor of vaccine. However, vaccine for incredibly rare or non-existent disease isn't likely worth the tradeoff. Or maybe a particular vaccine is too dangerous or experimental. Anyway, if the CDC recommend a vaccine for something, it's likely that they had looked into it and decided that the upside is worth more than the risk.
- ralusek 5y agoVaccines are also, themselves, not exactly GOOD for you. They're just eliciting an immune response in order to obtain immunological defense at a theoretically/hopefully lower cost than the alternative infection. Subjecting yourself to immune response, which for some vaccines can have high amount of reactogenicity, is having your body undergo heavy inflammation, a fair amount of tissue damage, etc. The people that just treat vaccines like they're a wheatgrass shot is pretty strange.
- DeWilde 5y agoI have a rare condition related to insulin resistance and diabetes, blood sugar spikes greatly worsen my health. Discovered that vaccines spike sugar prety significantly after getting my two shots this year. Won't be getting boosters anytime soon as the side effects were gruesome.
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- eloff 5y agoMy parents both reported consistent elevated blood sugar levels after getting the Pfizer vaccine. Not sure if it was related or just coincidence, but there seem numerous reports of the same online. It should be temporary though.
- DeWilde 5y agoThe immune response causes elevated blood sugar, among other things, for around 2 weeks. For most people this is not really harmful but for people with blood glucose problems it can cause severe issues.
- eloff 5y agoThey became aware of the issue after a couple months after the second dose. The trouble with anecdotal evidence like this is there's no way to know if that was caused by the vaccine or would have happened anyway. Other people have reported similar things online. Again one must take it with a grain of salt.
- Frost1x 5y agoDefinitely. We have a tremendous amount of risk aversion these days and a culture that has disdain for risk, even calculated abstract risks. What many don't realize is being too risk averse comes with its own risks, it also requires accurate risk assessment so you can make the correct decisions on when to take a risk and not. You could lockup in complete fear akin to analysis paralysis where non-zero risk keeps you from doing anything. Just skimming the CDC list of common vaccines in use in the US, do most really need vaccines for everything: anthrax, Japanese encephalitis, polio, rabies, smallpox, tetanus, tuberculosis, typhoid fever, and yellow fever? If you're not traveling outside the US and living a fairly normal life, most likely not and some of these have potentially nasty yet rare side effects. If they were given/taken at the scale COVID vaccines were, many would die from such side effect who otherwise would have lived healthy lives, all because they took an unnecessary risk trying to prevent a very low risk. COVID is an exception because of exposure and transmissibiliy, the rare side effects are worth the risk for most people because the chance of getting it and having a life ending result is relatively high. TB, tetanus, and rabies may be useful vaccines for some professions or life exposures in high risk cases, say veteranarians and healthcare workers, but for the most part, you probably don't need it. If you travel a lot to certain locations and say do missionary type work or whatever, perhaps some others make sense as well. Should every sexually active person take PrEP regularly since HIV is a potential risk to everyone? No, there are populations of risk exposure where it makes sense though. Your dentist only takes x-rays every so often because the x-ray exposure increases risk of various forms of cancer. You could get x-rays more frequently to detect issues that might not be obvious to your dentist but it's pretty low risk, there has been a lot of study into the rate of progression of disease and risk tradeoff to help your dentist determine a reasonable frequency for x-rays vs radiation exposure. If you start looking at your regular risks, you take many risks across a lot of aspects of life every single day, even in a modestly safe life style, from hopping in a car to picking up takeout at a local resturaunt or even walking down a street. A massive unknown asteroid could be on a collision course with Earth right now that results in mass extinction ending the human race or a gamma ray burst from inside our galaxy could set the atmosphere on fire and radiate us all to death near instantly... they are all non-zero yet incredibly low risk to our understanding probabilisticly. They're so low and some even inactionable that we need to ignore them and/or treat them with low priority and continue on with life. It's good to have a preventative mindset and take preventative action to try and control and manage risk, but in order to do this effectively, be sure you assess your risks, or have someone knowledgable (like a doctor when it comes to vaccines) lay it out for you so you can make a good decision about what you should or shouldn't do. If you truly can do the assessment yourself then by all means do it but it doesn't hurt to explain your assessment and rationale to someone knowledgeable to make sure you're not overlooking something. It certainly is possible to perform a better risk assessment for yourself than anyone else will be able to because you can know your behaviors and exposures better than anyone else but be careful playing this game.
- blip54321 5y agoYou already have the Library of Alexandria. That's your lymph nodes. What vaccines do is move some books to the front of the building, so your dentritic cells don't have to spend a few days finding them. You want the right books at the front. A mission to move all the books to the front is perhaps misguided.
- cma 5y agoI think it is more like the library of Borges, but with stuff that would interact with self culled.
- sdenton4 5y agoWe have an infinite library, but the literary criticism section has been carefully curated to remove all criticism of books in this library. The Library of Burges, though, we are happy to criticize unto oblivion.
- hn_go_brrrrr 5y agoSome libraries don't have certain books. Vaccines buy those books for your library (and, as you say, put them in the front).
- majkinetor 5y agoNot those books. More like snippets of those books.
- trhway 5y agoand then second edition of the book comes out with that snippet deleted or updated to look completely different.
- tux3 5y agoYou have antibodies that will bind to just about anything foreign, including viruses that your body has never seen before, M-type immunoglobulin (IgM). It's the kind of antibodies that responds in the first phases of an infection. The problem is that IgMs are not very specific. They bind to a lot of things, but they bind poorly. In the library of Alexandria analogy, it's like a book that happens to mention a subject you care about, but only in passing. Vaccines (and infections) result in your immune system developing IgG. That's the hyper-specific books for the pathogen you care about. So it's not that the book wasn't at the front. Your immune system has to write the book on the fly, during the fight, using chopped up pieces of pathogen gathered by antigen-presenting cells.
- web3fixescensor 5y agoEnjoy your heart attack in 3 to 6 months.
- dr_dshiv 5y agoI’m with you. I’ve gotten vaccinated for everything my doctor lets me. Japanese Encephalitis? Pshaw. I don’t even know what it is, but good luck with my immune system. It’s like getting a superpower in a video game! And, vaccines have general positive effects of health: https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-magazine/qa-how-vaccines-can-strengthen-immune-response-beyond-specific-disease https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-maga...
- tux3 5y agoI'm not going to tell you that you're wrong, but I would be more careful than that. Infections can be the trigger for auto-immune diseases. We're not sure precisely how, but there seems to be a complex combination of genetic and environmental factors. Your immune system is very much not playing games, it's in the business of reacting on a hair trigger, and doing more damage to foreign bodies than it does to your own body. It has an intricate system to avoid turning against yourself, but the system can fail. If a B cell that produces auto-antibodies falls through the cracks, it will not die. You now have the problem of being in a permanent fight against your own immune system, with a variety of unfortunate results. Now that's a lot of scary outcomes, and thankfully those diseases are uncommon. The system almost always works well. But it's a very complex system with ugly failure modes, so I wouldn't encourage you to poke the beast too much.
- dr_dshiv 5y agoThis would be like being worried about playing outside and being exposed to germs. Yes, it’s true that every new infection has the possibility of killing you. But, now we have evidence that exposure to diverse mild pathogens actually makes your immune system less dangerous to the self. Otherwise it would be safer to live in a clean room.
- tux3 5y agoI agree you should not try to live in a clean room, and you shouldn't be worried about being exposed to normal amount of germs. When you say "exposure to diverse mild pathogens actually makes your immune system less dangerous to the self", I suspect you're referring to the hygiene hypothesis that has become part of popular culture. It's important to know that that hypothesis, nowadays, is about early exposure to benign microbes. Meaning from in utero exposure to early childhood at the latest. I have seen no evidence that voluntarily exposing yourself to pathogens is a good idea. The point to my post was that you shouldn't understand the immune system like an RPG element that needs training to level up. Please do get vaccinated for relevant diseases, but I would not go too far in the direction of treating your immune system like a safe thing to play with.
- postsantum 5y agoThat's tribal thinking, "us vs them". You want to spite "them", who ostensibly don't know a thing about vaccine, but you never bothered to learn it yourself
- devmunchies 5y agoThe worse part is that anti-vax can just mean anti-mandate. Spiting in that context doesn’t make any sense since anti-vaxers still believe in effectiveness of vaccines.
- postsantum 5y agoI hate this rhetoric with passion. Even mentioning heartstrokes is an "antivaxer dogwhistle" now
- f0e4c2f7 5y agoAn old friend of mine used to compare getting a vaccine to getting a power-up in Mario.
- bool3max 5y agoYou sound as if your mental capacity is severely limited.
- juanani 5y agoSignalling pride in your own ignorance is effective trolling. One can always hide behind that one razor.
- plumeria 5y agoDid you get the rabies vaccine, yet? Also, the Dengvaxia is supposedly not recommended unless you've contracted Dengue already.
- majkinetor 5y agoI am pretty sure this would lead to more faster aging. Immune system ages itself, and collateral damage it does during fight response is not 0. There is limited amount of resources for stuff, it the only stuff you do is fighting various shit around, the body will probably turn off other non important stuff for immediate survival. Also, you should think sometimes about aspirin and Spanish fever phenomena.
- pininja 5y agoFor people like me who weren’t familiar, aspirin toxicity may have led to the extreme mortality at the peak of the Spanish flu. [0] > The hypothesis presented herein is that aspirin contributed to the incidence and severity of viral pathology, bacterial infection, and death, because physicians of the day were unaware that the regimens (8.0–31.2 g per day) produce levels associated with hyperventilation and pulmonary edema in 33% and 3% of recipients, respectively. [0] https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/49/9/1405/301441 https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/49/9/1405/301441
- majkinetor 5y agoIts more fact then hypothesis. There was also a control group, something we don't have now with vaccines. 5% death in military vs 1% in sanitoriums which used heat therapy. Its amazing what modern medicine did back then, and you know... history repeats.
- aasasd 5y agoI opened Wikipedia to see what you mean with the mention of the library, and there I read: > Despite the widespread modern belief that the Library of Alexandria was burned once and cataclysmically destroyed, the Library actually declined gradually over the course of several centuries.
- Jimmc414 5y agoBefore signing up for this particular vaccine you might want to read up on what inhibition of antiapoptotic & apoptotic pathways means for your health.
- anonuser123456 5y agoI do not recommend getting vaccinated for dengue fever :P
- hnbrainwashed 5y agoEnjoy dying a slow painful dead you piece of shit :)
- slickrick216 5y agoI hope this is satire. The medical industry doesn’t always have your best intentions at heart. From talcum powder to thalidomide. Be careful.
- freen 5y agoYou assume thalidomide was intentional?
- slickrick216 5y agoNot fully but it’s fair to say. greed plays a role in all human interactions. Organisational failure is a hard thing to pin down. Mix in the banality of evil and strange things can happen. Felix Hoffman the scientist at Bayer who is credited (somewhat disputed now) as discovering heroin and aspirin in the same week. He was just a chemist. The company was just out to make a profit. Crack epidemics in almost every country were the effect. Bit of a long winded way to say it doesn’t have to be black or white and to also that we can’t tell for sure the full effects of anything until well after.
- Jansen312 5y agoYeah, why be immuned when you can be invincible. Keep us updated when you gotten all the vax injected. How you plan to deal with recurring one that become ineffective fast like the rabbies vax. You scheduled every couple of weeks? Maybe an online blog and checklist to motivate others to compete who get jabbed the most.
- khazhoux 5y agoA blog is a great idea, though it probably won't be very interesting. Unless he happens to have adverse reactions (which are rare), there won't be anything to report on except "I still feel fine and I still haven't contracted xyz." As for the rabies vaccine, I don't think you can just ask for that to be administered -- unless, I suppose, you lie about being bitten by a random animal. As an aside, I have amusing memories of my own rabies vaccine 25 years ago -- a series of injections of thick syrup into my butt.
- natded 5y agoWe are going to see just how much people love The Science when they make mRNA vaccine to cure homosexuality.
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- johnisgood 5y agoWhy would you poke your immune system unnecessarily just to spite other people? Strange.
- ffggvv 5y agothat sounds pretty cringe to get unnecessarily medical treatments just to spite people. even if its harmless in the end. have you considered just getting the ones you need and not worrying about anti-vaxxers?
- godDLL 5y agoYou should understand that there's a hard limit of how much of it is usable. Get too much in, something will never again wake up. You can't be all-around immune, that's not how it works. Unless you alter how it works, you won't ever be.