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The "Networks behind them" are also worthless, if you mean blockchain. Consider the oracle problem, the fact that running Hello World requires mining a block,

The "Networks behind them" are also worthless, if you mean blockchain. Consider the oracle problem, the fact that running Hello World requires mining a block, that software contains errors and cannot be patched on the blockchain, the curious absence of real world applications of blockchain after all those years, and the inevitable precedence of the Law in the real world that makes any "the code is the law" ideas moot... A complicated, hard to understand scheme like blockchain is just the right thing to keep the crypto hype going and to attract more of that money that is looking for investment opportunities in this world of overvalued assets and low-interest rates.

bb88 5y ago
You could never ever patch log4j.
- cinntaile 5y ago
  Of course you could, you make a new version of your smart contract or blockchain and people use that instead.
  - UweSchmidt 5y ago
    This defeats the core idea of having something immutable, that no one can mess with. If you can agree to roll out a new version, why not do it with regular software?
    - jakupovic 5y ago
      No it does not. Immutable for use doesn't mean it cannot change for example if the title of your house is on the blockchain when you sell it a new immutable transaction referencing your original immutable transaction would be created. Same as rolling out a new version of log4j
      - UweSchmidt 5y ago
        Adding a new transaction in a new block (e.g. for a house sale transaction) is different from undoing software issues (log4j, the "DAO hack" on Ethereum). The former is problematic due to the oracle problem, the latter invalidates the concept of the blockchain entirely; it means I could lose the house because a mining/staking majority, or a vocal group on the Ethereum subreddit agreed to "fix" something on the existing blockchain. That such a sacrilegious thing was allowed to happen is evidence that no one cares except to get rich through the coins they got early (or launched themselves). (Of course there are many more ways I could lose a house that's ledgered on a blockchain, one thing I missed earlier: The impossibility for an individual to operationally secure the secrets for the crypto scheme against theft or loss.)
      - bb88 5y ago
        So you're saying we need software lawyers to figure out if rolling a new transaction is safe or not? Weirdly, that seems worse than having just lawyers.
        jakupovic 5y ago
        If you have the keys no lawyers needed.
    - cinntaile 5y ago
      Why would you not need to update it when bugs are found? If you don't then your blockchain and everything on it could be rendered worthless, depending on the bug. A blockchain is just regular software and this software changes over time.
human 5y ago
I used the term “networks” and not blockchain purposefully. I wanted to mean that having thousands of decentralized nodes with such computing power is astounding. The blockchain technology is cool but I also believe it won’t be a revolution on par with the Internet let’s say. If there is one legacy I hope we have once all cryptos have gone to zero is a reliable, trustless and decentralized network to run important stuff.

bb88 5y ago

You could never ever patch log4j.

cinntaile 5y ago
Of course you could, you make a new version of your smart contract or blockchain and people use that instead.
- UweSchmidt 5y ago
  This defeats the core idea of having something immutable, that no one can mess with. If you can agree to roll out a new version, why not do it with regular software?
  - jakupovic 5y ago
    No it does not. Immutable for use doesn't mean it cannot change for example if the title of your house is on the blockchain when you sell it a new immutable transaction referencing your original immutable transaction would be created. Same as rolling out a new version of log4j
    - UweSchmidt 5y ago
      Adding a new transaction in a new block (e.g. for a house sale transaction) is different from undoing software issues (log4j, the "DAO hack" on Ethereum). The former is problematic due to the oracle problem, the latter invalidates the concept of the blockchain entirely; it means I could lose the house because a mining/staking majority, or a vocal group on the Ethereum subreddit agreed to "fix" something on the existing blockchain. That such a sacrilegious thing was allowed to happen is evidence that no one cares except to get rich through the coins they got early (or launched themselves). (Of course there are many more ways I could lose a house that's ledgered on a blockchain, one thing I missed earlier: The impossibility for an individual to operationally secure the secrets for the crypto scheme against theft or loss.)
    - bb88 5y ago
      So you're saying we need software lawyers to figure out if rolling a new transaction is safe or not? Weirdly, that seems worse than having just lawyers.
      - jakupovic 5y ago
        If you have the keys no lawyers needed.
  - cinntaile 5y ago
    Why would you not need to update it when bugs are found? If you don't then your blockchain and everything on it could be rendered worthless, depending on the bug. A blockchain is just regular software and this software changes over time.

human 5y ago

I used the term “networks” and not blockchain purposefully. I wanted to mean that having thousands of decentralized nodes with such computing power is astounding. The blockchain technology is cool but I also believe it won’t be a revolution on par with the Internet let’s say. If there is one legacy I hope we have once all cryptos have gone to zero is a reliable, trustless and decentralized network to run important stuff.