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I agree with most of what you are saying. Groups cooperate internally and go to war with other groups externally. However that has nothing to do with my point.

I agree with most of what you are saying. Groups cooperate internally and go to war with other groups externally. However that has nothing to do with my point. I am basically making an economic statement about how modern companies work.

wpietri 5y ago
No, you made a claim about "how humans function" over "millions of years of evolution". I guess you're abandoning that claim now? If so, maybe do it honestly.
- alsetmusic 5y ago
  > I guess you're abandoning that claim now? If so, maybe do it honestly. This is unnecessarily aggressive. Also, it’s not fun reading a thread dominated by one or more people who are combative.
- mbrodersen 5y ago
  No not at all. My comment was a reply to your argument: > One of the things that distinguishes humans as a species is how extremely social, how extremely cooperative we are Where I point out that what you are saying is not true in general. But it is true within a group (say a company) and not between groups (say between companies and OSS maintainers). Groups that corporate well within the group have an evolutionary advantage fighting other groups. However I am not sure what the point is you are trying to make? My original point is that corporations/people don't throw $ at OSS maintainers for the work they do and expect them to maintain it for $0. That's a clear objective fact. So either treat your OSS project as a business and get paid to do your work or accept that outcome and stop complaining.
  - wpietri 5y ago
    Again, you made a claim about the evolved nature of humanity. It seems like you can't back it up. Bluster all you want, but if you can't come up with actual citations, I think we're done here.
    - mbrodersen 5y ago
      There are a huge number of references online. Just Google “in group out group social evolution”. Or simply go to Wikipedia for a quick summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_and_out-group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_and_out-group Now I think we are done here.

wpietri 5y ago

No, you made a claim about "how humans function" over "millions of years of evolution". I guess you're abandoning that claim now? If so, maybe do it honestly.

alsetmusic 5y ago
> I guess you're abandoning that claim now? If so, maybe do it honestly. This is unnecessarily aggressive. Also, it’s not fun reading a thread dominated by one or more people who are combative.
mbrodersen 5y ago
No not at all. My comment was a reply to your argument: > One of the things that distinguishes humans as a species is how extremely social, how extremely cooperative we are Where I point out that what you are saying is not true in general. But it is true within a group (say a company) and not between groups (say between companies and OSS maintainers). Groups that corporate well within the group have an evolutionary advantage fighting other groups. However I am not sure what the point is you are trying to make? My original point is that corporations/people don't throw $ at OSS maintainers for the work they do and expect them to maintain it for $0. That's a clear objective fact. So either treat your OSS project as a business and get paid to do your work or accept that outcome and stop complaining.
- wpietri 5y ago
  Again, you made a claim about the evolved nature of humanity. It seems like you can't back it up. Bluster all you want, but if you can't come up with actual citations, I think we're done here.
  - mbrodersen 5y ago
    There are a huge number of references online. Just Google “in group out group social evolution”. Or simply go to Wikipedia for a quick summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_and_out-group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_and_out-group Now I think we are done here.