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Tiny primate may join the ranks of the world’s model organisms

42 points by jkuria 5y ago

woodruffw 5y ago
With the exception of some of the larger primates, we seem to have an uncanny knack for selecting extremely cute animals for experimentation.
- jhbadger 5y ago
  There's quite a lot of non-cute ones in the mix. I don't think many people find fruit flies or zebra fish very cute, but perhaps "cuteness" isn't a concept that makes sense outside mammals.
  - tejtm 5y ago
    Compared to yeast and nematodes they are doing pretty good, but I never saw activists dump tanks of them out on the lawn proclaiming "be free".
technotony 5y ago
Archived: https://archive.md/RpHh3 https://archive.md/RpHh3
- potiuper 5y ago
  Or read the open access, no ad, and what appears to be upstream source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01789-0 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01789-0 that covers the Macaque question along with the completely omitted loss of function topic, video, pictures, and other details.
spaetzleesser 5y ago
That’s a very bad thing for the animals. I assume they will be used for experiments.
- noah_buddy 5y ago
  I would dearly want to be a reprobate organism if any.
- deleted 5y ago
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- tomcam 5y ago
  Agreed. OTOH one of those scientists has to admit to this job: > But in the interim he was subjected to various indignities. He had his testes measured Imagine having to get your face and your calipers in that region of a micro-lemur...
  - klyrs 5y ago
    They've got claws, no? Don't put your face there.
  - ampdepolymerase 5y ago
    Imagine neutering your dog/cat so they would be a less aggressive pet.
- asxd 5y ago
  I don’t agree with condemning the research because it involves animals, but you don’t even need to assume they’ll be involved in experiments. That’s what this article is about right?
  - Maursault 5y ago
    > I don’t agree with condemning the research because it involves animals If so, then you logically also must agree with this (which equates): "I don’t agree with condemning the research because it involves myself," else please compelling explain the difference between yourself and any other animal you like, but also describe how one can ignore or shed the moral horror that is animal research, that only first includes violent interference with the natural right of all alive... to live unmolested, has endless torture in the middle, and ends in unnatural and premature death. Just how does one adopt sweeping callous attitudes, devoid of empathy, towards another living creature? > but you don’t even need to assume they’ll be involved in experiments. That’s what this article is about right? ...and then be so blindly, comically optimistic? Or sarcasm, duh. FWIW, if only you were being used for animal research, I would still be against it, though only on moral grounds. > Like all lemurs, mouse lemurs live only in Madagascar, and some species are critically endangered. But the common mouse lemurs are so abundant that they can be studied easily in the wild > Mouse lemurs are among the most abundant primates on Earth What I found of note is the article's reinforcing contradictions, like there's an underlying notion of abundant uniqueness. Truffula trees.
theonemind 5y ago
Closer relatives of humans provide better models of disease in humans, news at 11. No ethical problems.
- iratewizard 5y ago
  I think there is some generally universal moral that goes something like this: the larger and more intelligent an animal is, the more wrong we feel it is to hurt that animal. Given a choice between a lab rat or a chimpanzee, would you choose the rat over the chimp in the trolley problem? For people to feel OK with medical experiments, they want the risk to be in line with the intrinsic value they place on that life. Maybe lemurs are closer to the high risk category for most people, and they're better at predicting what will happen in the larger primate studies.
foxhop 5y ago
EXPERIMENTS OF NATURE Why Blacksmiths need Druids Partnership and Permission. We guard the forests from a cancerous culture of over-consumption. The tool of the trade, the AXE, one of many fashioned by the Blacksmith Guild. A tool for DIVISION while powerful is a DOUBLE EDGED sword. Is a tool a TOOL without DIVISION? What's the DIFFERENCE? can ONE divide the TOOL from DIVISION? can ONE square a circle? "have" versus "have NOT". TOOLs generate a balanced equation, "have" versus "have NOT". Power == Desperation/Envy Power == Courage/Love it depends on the vibration of all HEARTS involved. a TOOL is also WEAPON when held by a low vibrating HEART. But most importantly, and why we appreciate the Blacksmith: a TOOL acts as a CATALYST for CHANGE & RESCUE! --- ONE CONCIOUS ABSTRACTED As ABOVE, so BELOW. Same, as it ever was, Same, as it ever was. If poked, you FEEL, but how do you HEAL? color & vibrational HUE, do you see the same BLUE? Same, but once REMOVED, Same, but how do you PROVE? Same, as it ever was, Same, as it ever was. --- To heat seemingly unconscious ore a Blacksmith burns wood and coal. conscious -> unconscious -> burn? Druid: MULTIPLY to GROW Blacksmith: DIVIDE to Build Druid: CARE & GROW with NATURE & only DIVIDE ethically. Extracting FRUIT, a delicate dance, One Given VOLUNTARY with LOVE. Blacksmith must yield to Druid. Clones have feelings too, ya know? And so... The Druid document & model systems of NATURE. FEEDSTOCK in accordance to DRUID's KNOWING hand. Handed UP over TIME, GROWING in VOLUME, over each beginning of civilization. --- We vibrate UP to assist FRIENDS to ascend. --- MULTIPLY to GROW GROWTH is but a VELOCITY, & matters on DIRECTION, POINT upwards and GROW, & lift others toward ASCENSION! 8758 --- PAIN Siren CALL of PAIN shout, LOVING abstractions phone, echo recursively OUT, PLEADING for RESCUE to be KNOWN! UNIVERSE 6678 --- WHEN A DRUID FIGHTS Fight when the LAW of NATURE is violated, alarm systems all over the Conscious, Subconscious, and Unconscious UNIVERSE. --- """ The Cherokee Indians put it in a very good way with this story, "One evening an old Cherokee Indian told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people. He said, ‘My son, the battle is between two ‘wolves’ inside us all.One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego. The other is good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.’ The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: ‘Which wolf wins?’ The old Cherokee simply replied, ‘The one you feed.'" This is a universal teaching across so many different cultures because spirit is above the human and it will give these ideas to anyone who is enlightened. """
ampdepolymerase 5y ago
We usually use macaques for this (I haven't read the paper). Is there a review paper comparing both creatures? If they are really better, I should look into procuring some. Macaques are quite expensive in north America.

42 points by jkuria 5y ago

With the exception of some of the larger primates, we seem to have an uncanny knack for selecting extremely cute animals for experimentation.

jhbadger 5y ago
There's quite a lot of non-cute ones in the mix. I don't think many people find fruit flies or zebra fish very cute, but perhaps "cuteness" isn't a concept that makes sense outside mammals.
- tejtm 5y ago
  Compared to yeast and nematodes they are doing pretty good, but I never saw activists dump tanks of them out on the lawn proclaiming "be free".

technotony 5y ago

Archived: https://archive.md/RpHh3 https://archive.md/RpHh3

potiuper 5y ago
Or read the open access, no ad, and what appears to be upstream source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01789-0 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01789-0 that covers the Macaque question along with the completely omitted loss of function topic, video, pictures, and other details.

spaetzleesser 5y ago

That’s a very bad thing for the animals. I assume they will be used for experiments.

noah_buddy 5y ago
I would dearly want to be a reprobate organism if any.
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
tomcam 5y ago
Agreed. OTOH one of those scientists has to admit to this job: > But in the interim he was subjected to various indignities. He had his testes measured Imagine having to get your face and your calipers in that region of a micro-lemur...
- klyrs 5y ago
  They've got claws, no? Don't put your face there.
- ampdepolymerase 5y ago
  Imagine neutering your dog/cat so they would be a less aggressive pet.
asxd 5y ago
I don’t agree with condemning the research because it involves animals, but you don’t even need to assume they’ll be involved in experiments. That’s what this article is about right?
- Maursault 5y ago
  > I don’t agree with condemning the research because it involves animals If so, then you logically also must agree with this (which equates): "I don’t agree with condemning the research because it involves myself," else please compelling explain the difference between yourself and any other animal you like, but also describe how one can ignore or shed the moral horror that is animal research, that only first includes violent interference with the natural right of all alive... to live unmolested, has endless torture in the middle, and ends in unnatural and premature death. Just how does one adopt sweeping callous attitudes, devoid of empathy, towards another living creature? > but you don’t even need to assume they’ll be involved in experiments. That’s what this article is about right? ...and then be so blindly, comically optimistic? Or sarcasm, duh. FWIW, if only you were being used for animal research, I would still be against it, though only on moral grounds. > Like all lemurs, mouse lemurs live only in Madagascar, and some species are critically endangered. But the common mouse lemurs are so abundant that they can be studied easily in the wild > Mouse lemurs are among the most abundant primates on Earth What I found of note is the article's reinforcing contradictions, like there's an underlying notion of abundant uniqueness. Truffula trees.

theonemind 5y ago

Closer relatives of humans provide better models of disease in humans, news at 11. No ethical problems.

iratewizard 5y ago
I think there is some generally universal moral that goes something like this: the larger and more intelligent an animal is, the more wrong we feel it is to hurt that animal. Given a choice between a lab rat or a chimpanzee, would you choose the rat over the chimp in the trolley problem? For people to feel OK with medical experiments, they want the risk to be in line with the intrinsic value they place on that life. Maybe lemurs are closer to the high risk category for most people, and they're better at predicting what will happen in the larger primate studies.

foxhop 5y ago

EXPERIMENTS OF NATURE Why Blacksmiths need Druids Partnership and Permission. We guard the forests from a cancerous culture of over-consumption. The tool of the trade, the AXE, one of many fashioned by the Blacksmith Guild. A tool for DIVISION while powerful is a DOUBLE EDGED sword. Is a tool a TOOL without DIVISION? What's the DIFFERENCE? can ONE divide the TOOL from DIVISION? can ONE square a circle? "have" versus "have NOT". TOOLs generate a balanced equation, "have" versus "have NOT". Power == Desperation/Envy Power == Courage/Love it depends on the vibration of all HEARTS involved. a TOOL is also WEAPON when held by a low vibrating HEART. But most importantly, and why we appreciate the Blacksmith: a TOOL acts as a CATALYST for CHANGE & RESCUE! --- ONE CONCIOUS ABSTRACTED As ABOVE, so BELOW. Same, as it ever was, Same, as it ever was. If poked, you FEEL, but how do you HEAL? color & vibrational HUE, do you see the same BLUE? Same, but once REMOVED, Same, but how do you PROVE? Same, as it ever was, Same, as it ever was. --- To heat seemingly unconscious ore a Blacksmith burns wood and coal. conscious -> unconscious -> burn? Druid: MULTIPLY to GROW Blacksmith: DIVIDE to Build Druid: CARE & GROW with NATURE & only DIVIDE ethically. Extracting FRUIT, a delicate dance, One Given VOLUNTARY with LOVE. Blacksmith must yield to Druid. Clones have feelings too, ya know? And so... The Druid document & model systems of NATURE. FEEDSTOCK in accordance to DRUID's KNOWING hand. Handed UP over TIME, GROWING in VOLUME, over each beginning of civilization. --- We vibrate UP to assist FRIENDS to ascend. --- MULTIPLY to GROW GROWTH is but a VELOCITY, & matters on DIRECTION, POINT upwards and GROW, & lift others toward ASCENSION! 8758 --- PAIN Siren CALL of PAIN shout, LOVING abstractions phone, echo recursively OUT, PLEADING for RESCUE to be KNOWN! UNIVERSE 6678 --- WHEN A DRUID FIGHTS Fight when the LAW of NATURE is violated, alarm systems all over the Conscious, Subconscious, and Unconscious UNIVERSE. --- """ The Cherokee Indians put it in a very good way with this story, "One evening an old Cherokee Indian told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people. He said, ‘My son, the battle is between two ‘wolves’ inside us all.One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego. The other is good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.’ The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: ‘Which wolf wins?’ The old Cherokee simply replied, ‘The one you feed.'" This is a universal teaching across so many different cultures because spirit is above the human and it will give these ideas to anyone who is enlightened. """

ampdepolymerase 5y ago

We usually use macaques for this (I haven't read the paper). Is there a review paper comparing both creatures? If they are really better, I should look into procuring some. Macaques are quite expensive in north America.