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who gets to decide what is "hateful shit" ?

by rubicon33 5y ago

krapp 5y ago
The platforms.
gpm 5y ago
The people choosing whether or not to repeat it. I.e. the people that make up the tech companies.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> who gets to decide what is "hateful shit" ? The people who are being asked to use their private resources to amplify it. That's called freedom of speech (and freedom of the press.)
hugi 5y ago
Content moderators. At the very least. I'm all for free speech, but what's happening today on the Internet is not free speech in any way or form. I'm pretty certain most of what's written on popular online forums today, such as political/news subreddits is propaganda or troll warfare.
- Clubber 5y ago
  >what's happening today on the Internet is not free speech in any way or form. I'm pretty certain most of what's written on popular online forums today, such as political/news subreddits is propaganda or troll warfare. How exactly do you define free speech?
- prohobo 5y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised by this myself, but the main actors in astroturfing are usually states and corporations through bots and paid shills, not normal users. So, if you were being serious about stopping things like that you would be specifically going after bots and shills, not opinions. That's a huge distinction to be made that I don't think you're properly addressing.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
  I think so too. I don't know how people got it in their heads that they have a right to say and do whatever they want on private platforms. I think the freakout is coming from the trollers/propagandists themselves. Censorship is if you try to print your own newsletter and the FBI comes and destroys it.
christophilus 5y ago
dang. I wish every platform had a dang. The world would be a much better place.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
  Me too.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  I love dang and this also sounds very authoritarian.
  - emerged 5y ago
    Authoritarianism is fine so long as it’s dang.
TigeriusKirk 5y ago
The responses to this are largely going to be "people who agree with me." They'll be dressed up in all kinds of rationalizations, but that's the truth of it. Until we can get people to be honest about that, there's nowhere for this conversation to go.
2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
Who cares? It's a private platform.
ekianjo 5y ago
Silicon Valley Companies. Which are historically very one-sided on everything. How could things go wrong?

who gets to decide what is "hateful shit" ?

krapp 5y ago

The platforms.

gpm 5y ago

The people choosing whether or not to repeat it. I.e. the people that make up the tech companies.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> who gets to decide what is "hateful shit" ? The people who are being asked to use their private resources to amplify it. That's called freedom of speech (and freedom of the press.)

hugi 5y ago

Content moderators. At the very least. I'm all for free speech, but what's happening today on the Internet is not free speech in any way or form. I'm pretty certain most of what's written on popular online forums today, such as political/news subreddits is propaganda or troll warfare.

Clubber 5y ago
>what's happening today on the Internet is not free speech in any way or form. I'm pretty certain most of what's written on popular online forums today, such as political/news subreddits is propaganda or troll warfare. How exactly do you define free speech?
prohobo 5y ago
I wouldn't be surprised by this myself, but the main actors in astroturfing are usually states and corporations through bots and paid shills, not normal users. So, if you were being serious about stopping things like that you would be specifically going after bots and shills, not opinions. That's a huge distinction to be made that I don't think you're properly addressing.
2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
I think so too. I don't know how people got it in their heads that they have a right to say and do whatever they want on private platforms. I think the freakout is coming from the trollers/propagandists themselves. Censorship is if you try to print your own newsletter and the FBI comes and destroys it.

christophilus 5y ago

dang. I wish every platform had a dang. The world would be a much better place.

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
Me too.
systemvoltage 5y ago
I love dang and this also sounds very authoritarian.
- emerged 5y ago
  Authoritarianism is fine so long as it’s dang.

TigeriusKirk 5y ago

The responses to this are largely going to be "people who agree with me." They'll be dressed up in all kinds of rationalizations, but that's the truth of it. Until we can get people to be honest about that, there's nowhere for this conversation to go.

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago

Who cares? It's a private platform.

ekianjo 5y ago

Silicon Valley Companies. Which are historically very one-sided on everything. How could things go wrong?