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The cheat code in the US is to say "I was afraid the guy with the [fists | bat | skateboard] was going to take my rifle and shoot me with it."

ajuc 5y ago
Wouldn't the obvious conclusion be: "carrying a gun is dangerous for you"?
- panarky 5y ago
  Since the guy carrying the gun winds up alive, while those around him wind up dead, seems like the obvious conclusion is that "carrying a gun is dangerous for everyone else who isn't carrying a gun".
  - cik2e 5y ago
    A more appropriate conclusion would be that "it's dangerous to brazenly attack someone who is carrying a gun". Perhaps they were encouraged by the fact that Rittenhouse was trying to avoid conflict and run away? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Rqv2tIg4E&t=319s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Rqv2tIg4E&t=319s The only "cheat code" here was used by the prosecutor to bring this case to trial.
  - ajuc 5y ago
    Duel isn't dangerous because the other guy is dead and I'm alive.
vogt 5y ago
That's a popular leftist talking point, but untrue. It didn't work for the murderers of Armad Aubrey (as it should not have), for one recent high-profile example. If we were referring to _Police_ in America, I'd agree with you.
- panarky 5y ago
  > leftist talking point, but untrue This exact cheat code was successfully used by the killer in another recent high-profile example. "If I would have let [the person shot four times] take my firearm from me, he would have used it and killed me with it and probably killed more people." https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/11/20/the-acquittal-of-kyle-rittenhouse-shows-americas-divide-over-guns https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/11/20/the-acqui...
  - vogt 5y ago
    If it were a cheat code, by definition, it would be available to anyone and everyone without prejudice or variance. I didn't say it never happened. To paint it as a cheat code is simply biased anti-2a sentiment - and inaccurate, at that.
  - vogt 5y ago
    If it were a cheat code, by definition, it would be available to anyone and everyone without prejudice or variance. I didn't say using "I was scared" as a lethal force justification never happened. Painting it as a cheat code is simply biased anti-2a sentiment - and inaccurate, at that.

ajuc 5y ago

Wouldn't the obvious conclusion be: "carrying a gun is dangerous for you"?

panarky 5y ago
Since the guy carrying the gun winds up alive, while those around him wind up dead, seems like the obvious conclusion is that "carrying a gun is dangerous for everyone else who isn't carrying a gun".
- cik2e 5y ago
  A more appropriate conclusion would be that "it's dangerous to brazenly attack someone who is carrying a gun". Perhaps they were encouraged by the fact that Rittenhouse was trying to avoid conflict and run away? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Rqv2tIg4E&t=319s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Rqv2tIg4E&t=319s The only "cheat code" here was used by the prosecutor to bring this case to trial.
- ajuc 5y ago
  Duel isn't dangerous because the other guy is dead and I'm alive.

vogt 5y ago

That's a popular leftist talking point, but untrue. It didn't work for the murderers of Armad Aubrey (as it should not have), for one recent high-profile example. If we were referring to _Police_ in America, I'd agree with you.

panarky 5y ago
> leftist talking point, but untrue This exact cheat code was successfully used by the killer in another recent high-profile example. "If I would have let [the person shot four times] take my firearm from me, he would have used it and killed me with it and probably killed more people." https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/11/20/the-acquittal-of-kyle-rittenhouse-shows-americas-divide-over-guns https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/11/20/the-acqui...
- vogt 5y ago
  If it were a cheat code, by definition, it would be available to anyone and everyone without prejudice or variance. I didn't say it never happened. To paint it as a cheat code is simply biased anti-2a sentiment - and inaccurate, at that.
- vogt 5y ago
  If it were a cheat code, by definition, it would be available to anyone and everyone without prejudice or variance. I didn't say using "I was scared" as a lethal force justification never happened. Painting it as a cheat code is simply biased anti-2a sentiment - and inaccurate, at that.