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Maybe you can consider another vaccine as a booster if this one did not acted well on you? I don't see how the booster is guaranteed to be the final answer as

by mrtksn 5y ago

Maybe you can consider another vaccine as a booster if this one did not acted well on you? I don't see how the booster is guaranteed to be the final answer as the virus keeps mutating and spreading among the very large unvaccinated population. I personally think that it will become endemic, thanks to the vaccine we would have enough immunity to keep us out of hospital and each time we get the virus it would act as a booster. This thing is not going to end without something like world wide super strict lockdown(Wuhan style) or world wide vaccination(and probably some combinations as the vaccine itself reduces but doesn't completely stop the spread).

jimmyearlcarter 5y ago
Its actually the 'leaky' vaccine that is causing the problematic mutations. In the same sense that bacteria mutate to evade antibiotics, the virus mutates to evade the vaccine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg&list=PL2FOgJ3tfGaYDmiIq8zYO4AGrGiSYj6e-&index=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg&list=PL2FOgJ3tfG...
- dimgl 5y ago
  Your source is a random YouTube video? AFAIK viruses are nothing like bacteria…
  - mrtksn 5y ago
    It’s not exactly random, it includes Robert Melone who is early researcher in the mRNA technology who was part of a team that got some patents but he likes to call himself the inventor of everything mRNA. So the guy somehow got bitter with the people involved and turned it into media battle. He tries to portray himself as an insider who is not afraid or has higher morals to tell the truth about mRNA. He says stuff like “This research shows that virus spike proteins damage the heart, the vaccine produces spike proteins therefore vaccines are dangerous”. Doesn’t have any actual research on his claims, he simply invents things from thin air and says them from the position of inventor of the mRNA. Very popular guy in the antivaxx community.
    - jimmyearlcarter 5y ago
      Is there any research that it doesn't? I mean the guy is a well-known scientist, he can make educated claims can't he. Being apart of the team that created mRNA vaccines probably means he knows more then the average smuck about them...right? So why not take his claim seriously and figure out if its true or not. For me, i'm young and healthy, im not at risk. Thats been demonstrated clearly now. For me, the risk of unknown long-term side effects related to the mRNA vaccine far outweigh my risk to covid. Also i just don't trust the profit incentives of modern big-pharma and big-science. Read https://www.amazon.ca/Real-Anthony-Fauci-Pharma-Democracy/dp/1510766804/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+real+fauci&qid=1639294978&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.ca/Real-Anthony-Fauci-Pharma-Democracy/dp...
      - mrtksn 5y ago
        Educated guess is a good start, that’s how you find what to work on. The important part is the work, you can’t suspect something and preach it as if it’s true. Most of the time these hunches are wrong. Also, just as a good mechanic doesn’t necessarily make a good racer, knowing how to produce mRNA doesn’t mean that you know what it does and doesn’t do to humans. That’s completely different field. The guy is a complete schmuck, if he had something he would have been working on it and publishing the results instead of using his CV to preach BS in the media.
- mrtksn 5y ago
  I guess we can solve this by issue by going back to days with no vaccine and no antibiotics. I never get this antivaxxer argument for ”naturalism”.
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  Vaccines are different from antibiotics in that they are designed to use your own immune system. Whereas an antibiotic targets a bacterial weakness which the bacteria can fix, the immune system watches for both specific invaders and possible variations of those invaders. Kurzgesagt made a good explainer video on this recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmpuerlbJu0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmpuerlbJu0
- mint2 5y ago
  Unless those accounts extensively discussed how immune compromised individuals and not evolution across whole populations provided the virus a platform to mutate extensively as that’s the current leading hypothesis of omicron’s origin, then I would recommend understanding those accounts are garbage and should be a big red flag about their motivations
nonbirithm 5y ago
I think the media might have unintentionally done themselves in by using the terminology "vaccinated" with no qualifiers in much of the coverage of the virus in the past two years. Soon we might have to be careful to state "vaccinated, but only within the last six months" or "vaccinated, but with the version targeting omnicron". I can't imagine it will be easy for all the existing articles from months ago to be updated now that we have new information. I feel the same way with masks. If you didn't do enough research, you could easily believe that anything with an N95 certification would be ideal for protective purposes, but plenty of N95 masks have valves which makes them useless for preventing infected individuals from infecting others. There are also cloth masks, gators, and so on. But to many people they all fall under the umbrella of the unspecific term "wearing a mask", and unless you explicitly look up the medical consensus, many sources of information are unlikely to also state "but not those masks."
- mrtksn 5y ago
  It’s a mass communication, not precise scientific communication. It will keep evolving as the situation evolves. I think, the danger lies in the fact that everything said by scientists on the media is oversimplification and technically wrong as a result of the simplification attempt. This can erode credibility significantly.
  - robbedpeter 5y ago
    Comments amounting to "I am the science!" don't help either.

by mrtksn 5y ago

jimmyearlcarter 5y ago

Its actually the 'leaky' vaccine that is causing the problematic mutations. In the same sense that bacteria mutate to evade antibiotics, the virus mutates to evade the vaccine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg&list=PL2FOgJ3tfGaYDmiIq8zYO4AGrGiSYj6e-&index=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg&list=PL2FOgJ3tfG...

dimgl 5y ago
Your source is a random YouTube video? AFAIK viruses are nothing like bacteria…
- mrtksn 5y ago
  It’s not exactly random, it includes Robert Melone who is early researcher in the mRNA technology who was part of a team that got some patents but he likes to call himself the inventor of everything mRNA. So the guy somehow got bitter with the people involved and turned it into media battle. He tries to portray himself as an insider who is not afraid or has higher morals to tell the truth about mRNA. He says stuff like “This research shows that virus spike proteins damage the heart, the vaccine produces spike proteins therefore vaccines are dangerous”. Doesn’t have any actual research on his claims, he simply invents things from thin air and says them from the position of inventor of the mRNA. Very popular guy in the antivaxx community.
  - jimmyearlcarter 5y ago
    Is there any research that it doesn't? I mean the guy is a well-known scientist, he can make educated claims can't he. Being apart of the team that created mRNA vaccines probably means he knows more then the average smuck about them...right? So why not take his claim seriously and figure out if its true or not. For me, i'm young and healthy, im not at risk. Thats been demonstrated clearly now. For me, the risk of unknown long-term side effects related to the mRNA vaccine far outweigh my risk to covid. Also i just don't trust the profit incentives of modern big-pharma and big-science. Read https://www.amazon.ca/Real-Anthony-Fauci-Pharma-Democracy/dp/1510766804/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+real+fauci&qid=1639294978&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.ca/Real-Anthony-Fauci-Pharma-Democracy/dp...
    - mrtksn 5y ago
      Educated guess is a good start, that’s how you find what to work on. The important part is the work, you can’t suspect something and preach it as if it’s true. Most of the time these hunches are wrong. Also, just as a good mechanic doesn’t necessarily make a good racer, knowing how to produce mRNA doesn’t mean that you know what it does and doesn’t do to humans. That’s completely different field. The guy is a complete schmuck, if he had something he would have been working on it and publishing the results instead of using his CV to preach BS in the media.
mrtksn 5y ago
I guess we can solve this by issue by going back to days with no vaccine and no antibiotics. I never get this antivaxxer argument for ”naturalism”.
Wowfunhappy 5y ago
Vaccines are different from antibiotics in that they are designed to use your own immune system. Whereas an antibiotic targets a bacterial weakness which the bacteria can fix, the immune system watches for both specific invaders and possible variations of those invaders. Kurzgesagt made a good explainer video on this recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmpuerlbJu0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmpuerlbJu0
mint2 5y ago
Unless those accounts extensively discussed how immune compromised individuals and not evolution across whole populations provided the virus a platform to mutate extensively as that’s the current leading hypothesis of omicron’s origin, then I would recommend understanding those accounts are garbage and should be a big red flag about their motivations

nonbirithm 5y ago

I think the media might have unintentionally done themselves in by using the terminology "vaccinated" with no qualifiers in much of the coverage of the virus in the past two years. Soon we might have to be careful to state "vaccinated, but only within the last six months" or "vaccinated, but with the version targeting omnicron". I can't imagine it will be easy for all the existing articles from months ago to be updated now that we have new information. I feel the same way with masks. If you didn't do enough research, you could easily believe that anything with an N95 certification would be ideal for protective purposes, but plenty of N95 masks have valves which makes them useless for preventing infected individuals from infecting others. There are also cloth masks, gators, and so on. But to many people they all fall under the umbrella of the unspecific term "wearing a mask", and unless you explicitly look up the medical consensus, many sources of information are unlikely to also state "but not those masks."

mrtksn 5y ago
It’s a mass communication, not precise scientific communication. It will keep evolving as the situation evolves. I think, the danger lies in the fact that everything said by scientists on the media is oversimplification and technically wrong as a result of the simplification attempt. This can erode credibility significantly.
- robbedpeter 5y ago
  Comments amounting to "I am the science!" don't help either.