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This has happened to me several times, I have never taken it seriously or put much effort into responding. I usually would go straight to the throat and very p

This has happened to me several times, I have never taken it seriously or put much effort into responding. I usually would go straight to the throat and very personal. Publish their letter on the domain they seek, capture all lawyer and company details and publish to site. Use opsec for phone numbers, call them at terrible hours ( at home) to discuss offers of payment. They are trying to bleed you with superior resources so guerrilla tactics are best ( legal of course) They act different when they realize they are exposed and you don't care about normal processes. Lol, I should make my own David v Goliath service. Depends on the size of Goliath. No one scary came for me and a few 2am calls led to crickets.

matthewfcarlson 5y ago
Sounds absolutely ruthless and I quite like it. Don't think I'm bold enough to do it myself but I'm always surprised how much being persistent gets you when you're talking to companies.
- brippalcharrid 5y ago
  If one was short of time, one could always put out a tender so that several (hundred) different independent agents could speculatively contact them in order to conduct negotiations, then present you with offers that you could compare. If those agents were in turn having trouble establishing contact, they could farm out this effort to others who had more time and expertise in this area.
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amluto 5y ago
> Use opsec for phone numbers, call them at terrible hours ( at home) to discuss offers of payment. IANAL, but if your goal is to give the them additional grounds for suing you, you may be off to a good start.
- np_tedious 5y ago
  I think the idea is that it's plausibly someone else calling, since you made the documents containing contact info public (which is legal I hope?).
voakbasda 5y ago
This. If it is legal, you should at least consider escalating as far as you are comfortable. You are now at war, whether you like it or not. Never back down, never surrender.
gunshai 5y ago
This is the type of comment I come to HN for. I try to explain to my partner there is always alternative ways to handle matters, and going with "the process" has inevitable outcomes. Probably good they work at a bank and I well... Don't Can you further elaborate on your story I am very curious?
fillskills 5y ago
This is what worked for me a few times. It is painful for a bit but better than spending money on a lawyer. I would also suggest to try and find a lawyer in your network willing to help at below their retail price. Despite the bad rep, lawyers are humans and are very eager to help good people
chrisseaton 5y ago
> call them at terrible hours ( at home) This is a really nasty idea. You’ll be bothering their family who have nothing to do with it. Sounds like you’re advocating harassment of people’s families.
- foxhop 5y ago
  Everyone is a family, except ENTITIES who are not humans. Wrote a poem and song to explain: --- WRONG is Tyranny. TYRANNY is WRONG, inherently so, DISASTER is WHEN, all SPARKs vibrate LOW! --- Tempest, Monster, part of the ONE. cancer's role as DOVE, painful extraordinary, deserves LOVE, not respect or authority. --- Vortex Universe Sometimes we VIBRATE down, to ASCEND up again.
- mindslight 5y ago
  They're already harassing you under the guise of a legal process. A clock punching attorney won't be emotionally invested in the details of a matter, but the victims of such nastygrams are - the main goal of such letters is to make you stressed and worried so you just cave - hence the corollary of hiring a professional who will handle it impersonally Two wrongs don't make a right, and it certainly may be imprudent to escalate. But there's no moral ground for them to stand on here - they're in the same category as any other spammer. Furthermore nowhere did OP advocate deliberately expanding the scope to their family. If phone calls at inconvenient-to-them times end up bothering their family as well, it's because they didn't do the work to separate their family from their ugly business. In general I don't buy into the idea of declaring some times as off limits for phone calls, since society has never given me the same courtesy in the early morning. I'd much rather get calls at 10PM than 10AM, and yet it's somehow acceptable for businesses to return an afternoon call at 9AM sharp and pretend they're doing their best to communicate.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    A lot of words to justify that you know you’ll likely be impacting someone who did nothing against you.
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matthewfcarlson 5y ago

Sounds absolutely ruthless and I quite like it. Don't think I'm bold enough to do it myself but I'm always surprised how much being persistent gets you when you're talking to companies.

brippalcharrid 5y ago
If one was short of time, one could always put out a tender so that several (hundred) different independent agents could speculatively contact them in order to conduct negotiations, then present you with offers that you could compare. If those agents were in turn having trouble establishing contact, they could farm out this effort to others who had more time and expertise in this area.

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amluto 5y ago

> Use opsec for phone numbers, call them at terrible hours ( at home) to discuss offers of payment. IANAL, but if your goal is to give the them additional grounds for suing you, you may be off to a good start.

np_tedious 5y ago
I think the idea is that it's plausibly someone else calling, since you made the documents containing contact info public (which is legal I hope?).

voakbasda 5y ago

This. If it is legal, you should at least consider escalating as far as you are comfortable. You are now at war, whether you like it or not. Never back down, never surrender.

gunshai 5y ago

This is the type of comment I come to HN for. I try to explain to my partner there is always alternative ways to handle matters, and going with "the process" has inevitable outcomes. Probably good they work at a bank and I well... Don't Can you further elaborate on your story I am very curious?

fillskills 5y ago

This is what worked for me a few times. It is painful for a bit but better than spending money on a lawyer. I would also suggest to try and find a lawyer in your network willing to help at below their retail price. Despite the bad rep, lawyers are humans and are very eager to help good people

chrisseaton 5y ago

> call them at terrible hours ( at home) This is a really nasty idea. You’ll be bothering their family who have nothing to do with it. Sounds like you’re advocating harassment of people’s families.

foxhop 5y ago
Everyone is a family, except ENTITIES who are not humans. Wrote a poem and song to explain: --- WRONG is Tyranny. TYRANNY is WRONG, inherently so, DISASTER is WHEN, all SPARKs vibrate LOW! --- Tempest, Monster, part of the ONE. cancer's role as DOVE, painful extraordinary, deserves LOVE, not respect or authority. --- Vortex Universe Sometimes we VIBRATE down, to ASCEND up again.
mindslight 5y ago
They're already harassing you under the guise of a legal process. A clock punching attorney won't be emotionally invested in the details of a matter, but the victims of such nastygrams are - the main goal of such letters is to make you stressed and worried so you just cave - hence the corollary of hiring a professional who will handle it impersonally Two wrongs don't make a right, and it certainly may be imprudent to escalate. But there's no moral ground for them to stand on here - they're in the same category as any other spammer. Furthermore nowhere did OP advocate deliberately expanding the scope to their family. If phone calls at inconvenient-to-them times end up bothering their family as well, it's because they didn't do the work to separate their family from their ugly business. In general I don't buy into the idea of declaring some times as off limits for phone calls, since society has never given me the same courtesy in the early morning. I'd much rather get calls at 10PM than 10AM, and yet it's somehow acceptable for businesses to return an afternoon call at 9AM sharp and pretend they're doing their best to communicate.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  A lot of words to justify that you know you’ll likely be impacting someone who did nothing against you.
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