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That's already how this works in some countries. If someone attacks you with a baseball bat or fists and you shoot them dead you might be sentenced for overstep
by ajuc 5y ago
That's already how this works in some countries. If someone attacks you with a baseball bat or fists and you shoot them dead you might be sentenced for overstepping a reasonable self-defense. The same crime at gun-point and at knife-point carries much harsher punishment. This encourages reasonable (de)escalation instead of just going for 120% from the start. And saves lives.
End result is - even in countries with relatively easy access to guns for hobby - nobody carries them for self-defense (criminals included), because they don't expect to need them, and in case of a self-defense situation they are more likely to cause problems than to solve them.
- nicbou 5y agoIn Canada, the use of reasonable force is warranted. The keyword is "reasonable".
- panarky 5y agoThe cheat code in the US is to say "I was afraid the guy with the [fists | bat | skateboard] was going to take my rifle and shoot me with it."
- ajuc 5y agoWouldn't the obvious conclusion be: "carrying a gun is dangerous for you"?
- panarky 5y agoSince the guy carrying the gun winds up alive, while those around him wind up dead, seems like the obvious conclusion is that "carrying a gun is dangerous for everyone else who isn't carrying a gun".
- cik2e 5y agoA more appropriate conclusion would be that "it's dangerous to brazenly attack someone who is carrying a gun". Perhaps they were encouraged by the fact that Rittenhouse was trying to avoid conflict and run away? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Rqv2tIg4E&t=319s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Rqv2tIg4E&t=319s The only "cheat code" here was used by the prosecutor to bring this case to trial.
- ajuc 5y agoDuel isn't dangerous because the other guy is dead and I'm alive.
- vogt 5y agoThat's a popular leftist talking point, but untrue. It didn't work for the murderers of Armad Aubrey (as it should not have), for one recent high-profile example. If we were referring to _Police_ in America, I'd agree with you.
- panarky 5y ago> leftist talking point, but untrue This exact cheat code was successfully used by the killer in another recent high-profile example. "If I would have let [the person shot four times] take my firearm from me, he would have used it and killed me with it and probably killed more people." https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/11/20/the-acquittal-of-kyle-rittenhouse-shows-americas-divide-over-guns https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/11/20/the-acqui...
- vogt 5y agoIf it were a cheat code, by definition, it would be available to anyone and everyone without prejudice or variance. I didn't say it never happened. To paint it as a cheat code is simply biased anti-2a sentiment - and inaccurate, at that.
- vogt 5y agoIf it were a cheat code, by definition, it would be available to anyone and everyone without prejudice or variance. I didn't say using "I was scared" as a lethal force justification never happened. Painting it as a cheat code is simply biased anti-2a sentiment - and inaccurate, at that.