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Hi, so I’m Andrew Lee and can definitely comment on this as I’m directly involved: > For example, it implies that Lee was the person providing for freenode, wh
by rasengan 5y ago
Hi, so I’m Andrew Lee and can definitely comment on this as I’m directly involved:
> For example, it implies that Lee was the person providing for freenode, when in fact he was just one of many donors: most servers in the network were donated by non-profits
You’re right, there were other server donors who provided servers on the network. However, the donations I provided were on a different order of magnitude financially. I provided many servers, of course, but also 7 figure funding [1]. That said, I’m definitely thankful for the server providers who were providing servers to us and continue to.
> Also, it says Freenode was "taken over" by Christel
All documentation both publicly and internally would refute this - Christel was fully in charge and the former staff was aware since it was explicitly written in the onboarding documents and on the website. Also, Tomaw was fully aware of this as well as of my ownership of freenode.
> Also, most of the drama took place after this article was published.
Again, untrue. Tomaw and I were in discussion and he was holding the network hostage for over a month prior to the article. prawnsalad of KiwiIRC and Snoonet was mediating and had had enough of Tomaw [2].
> All in all, Freenode's story is one of a collective project run by volunteers on their donated time/hardware turned into a top-down startup.
I think there is a misconception of the difficulty in running an IRC network. Given I have been a staff member off and on of other networks and continue to be on several, including on the coding teams, I can assure you that nobody would say this is a difficult time consuming thing. It’s not like open source code contribution.
Secondly, several members received monetary benefits - from me - in the form of flights, hotels, etc. like at DEFCON for example. The same people have looked me in the eye and said thank you before turning around and making up stories in a brazen attempt to slander me to take freenode. Not very upstanding people.
I think it’s pretty clear what they cared about when you review Libera months later and see that it’s a closed group run by the former freenode staffers, and they are now the oligarchs of Libera.
Finally, stop trying to force or pressure people to leave freenode. You’re acting like the Libera staff who actually spent months writing open source projects with the same falsehoods asking them to leave. It’s a form of censorship but worse it’s bullying.
As for me and freenode, we have been in legal discussion to truly decentralize the network and give it to the people - and that is what is happening. I have always been the custodian and financial supporter supporting freenode, even when the former staff was facing legal action from users who they had harassed, so this isn’t outside of my resume and track record - I obviously care about it deeply.
Freenode will belong to the people where it belongs, not the former staffers hands.
[1] http://techrights.org/2021/05/22/freenode-misinformation-or-misunderstandings/ http://techrights.org/2021/05/22/freenode-misinformation-or-...
[2] https://gist.github.com/prawnsalad/4ca20da6c2295ddb06c1646791c61953 https://gist.github.com/prawnsalad/4ca20da6c2295ddb06c164679...
- southerntofu 5y ago> I provided many servers, of course, but also 7 figure funding In my book, that's irrelevant. If i choose to donate personal resources to a project, it does not entitle me to any power over said project. > fully in charge (...) my ownership As someone who's external to both Freenode and Libera project, my understanding was that both aimed to be somewhat-horizontal projects and that such fine print was irrelevant. Much like Debian project has a DPL for some specific situations but actual decisions are taken by the base (which has pros and cons). > Tomaw and I were in discussion... I'm not saying there was no drama prior to the discussion. I'm saying many people who had a neutral stance on the matter were pushed to exile by your new team's aggressive actions, which you don't seem to refute. > Finally, stop trying to force or pressure people to leave freenode. I'm not. I'm always happy to side with an established non-profit versus an unclear business plan driven by an entrepreneur, but in this specific case i have zero balls in the game. You'll find me much more active in XMPP spaces where such concerns are non-existent because user hosting is decoupled from chatroom hosting (via s2s protocol). > As for me and freenode, we have been in legal discussion to truly decentralize the network and give it to the people Cool. Despite my profound disagreements on general politics, i wish you the best on this path. I've read more than a few cringy arguments for Freenode in the past months, but i believe all of us can take a turn for the better at any time. Can't wait for the non-profit to be officially registered!
- rasengan 5y agoI don't know about turning for the better -- since the very first response message in the entire ordeal was where I told tomaw freenode needs to be decentralized [1] -- but, yes, that's where we are headed! That said, forget about me in this ordeal. freenode is going to the people where I always felt it belonged, and we're all in it together. :-) [1] https://old.freenode.net/static/files/on-freenode.pdf https://old.freenode.net/static/files/on-freenode.pdf