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the program coming when someone who makes less money than you is managing you , doesnt really work. So managing is like a reward.
by Gtex555 5y ago
the program coming when someone who makes less money than you is managing you , doesnt really work. So managing is like a reward.
- marcinzm 5y agoJust have your staff+ engineers report into directors and VPs rather than line level managers.
- kcplate 5y agoYou need a line level manager to insulate the suits from developer lunacy.
- betaby 5y agoMore other way around
- marcinzm 5y agoThere's a reason good line level managers get called shit umbrellas for the team.
- kcplate 5y agoBeen on both sides of that line, in my experience there is FAR more lunacy among the development folks. But to your point, the lunatics always feel like they are the “normal ones”
- playing_colours 5y agoIt is often expected to be defined in the expectations towards engineers at Staff+ level that people on that level are good at communications and can balance technical and business points of view. Also, developers are often not skilled enough to hide their “lunacy” and they are sincerely open about it. Managers are more skilful at hiding malice, incompetence, pure wish for power, that makes them more harmful for a company.
- kcplate 5y agoYes let’s fire all management. Remove all that harm from the organization and put a bunch of lunatics in charge who all believe without a shred of doubt that they are the smartest person to ever walk the earth. What could go wrong?
- playing_colours 5y agoI did not suggest to replace managers with engineers, just give an opportunity to work and be represented on more strategic level to some engineers. It can be seen as a good career progression for ICs.
- kcplate 5y agoThere is always an assumption by engineers (especially folks early in their careers) that management is somehow “easier” and therefore it’s an easy and a reasonable career path for folks in engineering to have available to them should they choose it. It’s not easier, it’s simply different, and in many ways much more difficult. I have seen a lot of folks try and make the transition and ultimately either fail or spend a lot of time as terrible managers until they develop the skills to do it. Management of technical teams is not a one sided operation, it’s not us vs them. You are beholden to those you manage, as well as your leaders above you (actually, more so). Sometimes the motivations of those two groups can be seen to be in conflict. You have to be an effective advocate for both. The problem I have seen with many engineers who try to make that transition, is that they think they job is to be an advocate for their engineers they manage. They forget the other 50% of their job…which is the 50% that is actually the most important to their livelihood.
- dathinab 5y ago> makes less money than you is managing you , doesn't really work It can, managing is (should be) a collaborative effort. It only is a problem if the manager manages in a non collaborative forceful top down manner. It's all a question about communication skills. Like in some sports you will find top players earning multiple times of what their trainer earns, and potentially having enough influence to get their trainer fired. They work together with the trainer for optimal results. Similar enough wealthy people hire fitness trainer, or people which manage their cullender, schedule, appointments and might even majorly decide career directions. And it still works even through the person in power is the person being managed.
- naveen99 5y agoIs that a मस्त कलेण्डर ?
- selimthegrim 5y agoHaha qalandar has a few different letters but I still chuckled
- dathinab 5y agoWhat is a मस्त कलेण्डर? Google translate says "cool calendar" which seems ... wrong?
- selimthegrim 5y agoAre you a Qawwali fan at all?
- naveen99 5y agohttps://youtu.be/v38w5djsbXM https://youtu.be/v38w5djsbXM
- josephwegner 5y agoWhy? I make less money than every single one of my staff. I’m an EM, I manage 9 engineers, and never once has the fact that they make more money seemed relevant. _Maybe_ I could change careers and be an engineer and make as much of them, but I wouldn’t want to. I’m a manager because I like being a manager. It’d be a QoL decrease for me to be an engineer just for the money.