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I don't think it's a case of gruelling, it's more that streaming is the social outcast version of acting. You have to interact with people to act else it doesn'

by corobo 5y ago

I don't think it's a case of gruelling, it's more that streaming is the social outcast version of acting. You have to interact with people to act else it doesn't work. Streaming can be entirely solo, even at the top end Nobody is forcing you to be live 12 hours a day. Most of the super effort no reward streamers would benefit by cutting the live hours and working more on marketing anyway. Twitch in particular is terrible for organic growth Not to imply any negativity in this comment if it reads that way, just shite at words. I've dabbled in streaming and realised I need to build up the audience first otherwise it's a massive timesink

snek_case 5y ago
> Twitch in particular is terrible for organic growth Might be in part because the search function is so bad. I tried to use twitch to discover DJ slash electronic music streams, and had a really hard time finding what I wanted, though I could sometimes find them using other keywords.
- corobo 5y ago
  They're doing better with tags and recommended streams now but yeah I think it's a combination of bad search and kingmaker directories If you're big, you get bigger. If you're small, you'll never (rarely) be seen by someone browsing They'll sprinkle some AI on it eventually
wpietri 5y ago
Sorry, I don't understand this. I admittedly don't watch much streaming. But every streamer I've ever seen interacts constantly with their audience. And the ones I interviewed are intensely conscious of their audience and the need to make them feel special. The actors I knew mainly focused on craft and collaboration with teams. If they dealt with the audience at all, it was in very controlled bursts in the minutes after a performance. So it seems to me that streaming is much more socially demanding.
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- corobo 5y ago
  Sitting at a computer interacting with a non-red HAL9000 and IRC is not the same as interacting with directors, producers, other actors.. people There are more people in acting than the audience POV: you're a streamer interacting with the audience https://cdn.imgy.org/j6km.jpg https://cdn.imgy.org/j6km.jpg (chat unrelated, I just picked the one in my follows that would fill the screen quickest) idk it just doesn't feel social to me at all, never mind socially demanding
  - wpietri 5y ago
    Sorry, I'm not getting it. Are you a successful streamer and are offering your own experience as evidence? Or are you a non-streamer just giving your general take? You make my point with that screenshot. The chat isn't unrelated. The chat is primary. The streamers I talked to and the streaming I've watched is a performance for an audience. It's way more interactive than most live theater, even the stuff with audience participation. And it's leaps and bounds more socially demanding than film work. As an example, watch this video from a streamer with 120k followers on Twitch: https://twitter.com/negaoryx/status/1354147400160403457 https://twitter.com/negaoryx/status/1354147400160403457 While playing the game she is deeply involved a conversation with the people watching. As streamers explained it to me, that's key to the economics of being a successful streamer, in that significant audience segments are buying a feeling of being in the in-group, and that feeling has to be supported with actual interaction with the streamer. I agree that's not the same thing as being on the same stage with people. But it's still very social. Similarly, remote work is still social. I've never met any of my colleagues, for example, but they're still people to me.
    - corobo 5y ago
      > Are you a successful streamer and are offering your own experience as evidence? Or are you a non-streamer just giving your general take? Given the two options I'm a non-streamer giving my general take.

by corobo 5y ago

snek_case 5y ago

> Twitch in particular is terrible for organic growth Might be in part because the search function is so bad. I tried to use twitch to discover DJ slash electronic music streams, and had a really hard time finding what I wanted, though I could sometimes find them using other keywords.

corobo 5y ago
They're doing better with tags and recommended streams now but yeah I think it's a combination of bad search and kingmaker directories If you're big, you get bigger. If you're small, you'll never (rarely) be seen by someone browsing They'll sprinkle some AI on it eventually

wpietri 5y ago

Sorry, I don't understand this. I admittedly don't watch much streaming. But every streamer I've ever seen interacts constantly with their audience. And the ones I interviewed are intensely conscious of their audience and the need to make them feel special. The actors I knew mainly focused on craft and collaboration with teams. If they dealt with the audience at all, it was in very controlled bursts in the minutes after a performance. So it seems to me that streaming is much more socially demanding.

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corobo 5y ago
Sitting at a computer interacting with a non-red HAL9000 and IRC is not the same as interacting with directors, producers, other actors.. people There are more people in acting than the audience POV: you're a streamer interacting with the audience https://cdn.imgy.org/j6km.jpg https://cdn.imgy.org/j6km.jpg (chat unrelated, I just picked the one in my follows that would fill the screen quickest) idk it just doesn't feel social to me at all, never mind socially demanding
- wpietri 5y ago
  Sorry, I'm not getting it. Are you a successful streamer and are offering your own experience as evidence? Or are you a non-streamer just giving your general take? You make my point with that screenshot. The chat isn't unrelated. The chat is primary. The streamers I talked to and the streaming I've watched is a performance for an audience. It's way more interactive than most live theater, even the stuff with audience participation. And it's leaps and bounds more socially demanding than film work. As an example, watch this video from a streamer with 120k followers on Twitch: https://twitter.com/negaoryx/status/1354147400160403457 https://twitter.com/negaoryx/status/1354147400160403457 While playing the game she is deeply involved a conversation with the people watching. As streamers explained it to me, that's key to the economics of being a successful streamer, in that significant audience segments are buying a feeling of being in the in-group, and that feeling has to be supported with actual interaction with the streamer. I agree that's not the same thing as being on the same stage with people. But it's still very social. Similarly, remote work is still social. I've never met any of my colleagues, for example, but they're still people to me.
  - corobo 5y ago
    > Are you a successful streamer and are offering your own experience as evidence? Or are you a non-streamer just giving your general take? Given the two options I'm a non-streamer giving my general take.