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Hades is a good game. You might enjoy it more than witcher 3. But it's multiple orders of magnitude smaller no matter how you cut it. If you want to build enorm

Hades is a good game. You might enjoy it more than witcher 3. But it's multiple orders of magnitude smaller no matter how you cut it. If you want to build enormous games, you tend to need enormous effort.

wpietri 5y ago
That may be true, but it doesn't justify worker exploitation and abuse. Unless you'd like to claim that is the only way any large project gets done in any industry. Which would be a bold claim indeed.
- eru 5y ago
  What you call worker exploitation and abuse is reasonably well known about the game industry. Every one who gets into that industry either does so willingly, or otherwise with gross neglect. What happens between consenting adults ain't anybody else's business.
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    Employers aren't adults, they are massively powerful corporations. Worker exploitation happens between one passionate programmer, artist, QA and a massive corporate organization that holds all the power and has no qualms about deceiving, badgering, shaming it's way I to what it wants.
    - eru 5y ago
      Eh, companies have reputations. And would-be employees can read up on companies before they sign up. Eg I love Amazon as a customer, but I wouldn't really accept a programming job with them.
      - FridgeSeal 5y ago
        That doesn’t make it at all acceptable for them to treat the people that work there the way they do. Doing so makes you at least complicit in that, and at most an active perpetuator of it.
        eru 5y ago
        > Doing so makes you at least complicit in that, and at most an active perpetuator of it. Doing what? And who is 'you' in that sentence?
  - wpietri 5y ago
    Worker exploitation and abuse happens in many industries and was once the norm. It is in society's interests to prevent systematized exploitation of society's members. "Consenting adults" is a fine heuristic for what happens in a private bedroom between individuals with equal power. It does not apply to for-profit exploitation done by organizations with special legal privileges. Privileges they have only because we see commerce as generally beneficial and to be encouraged.
    - eru 5y ago
      > Worker exploitation and abuse happens in many industries and was once the norm. What do you mean by exploitation? When was it the norm and where?
      - wpietri 5y ago
        Sorry, there's no way I'm spoon-feeding you the whole history of labor. Maybe read Loomis's "A History of America in Ten Strikes" as a starting point. And then maybe Beckert's "Empire of Cotton" for the broader, systemic view.

wpietri 5y ago

That may be true, but it doesn't justify worker exploitation and abuse. Unless you'd like to claim that is the only way any large project gets done in any industry. Which would be a bold claim indeed.

eru 5y ago
What you call worker exploitation and abuse is reasonably well known about the game industry. Every one who gets into that industry either does so willingly, or otherwise with gross neglect. What happens between consenting adults ain't anybody else's business.
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  Employers aren't adults, they are massively powerful corporations. Worker exploitation happens between one passionate programmer, artist, QA and a massive corporate organization that holds all the power and has no qualms about deceiving, badgering, shaming it's way I to what it wants.
  - eru 5y ago
    Eh, companies have reputations. And would-be employees can read up on companies before they sign up. Eg I love Amazon as a customer, but I wouldn't really accept a programming job with them.
    - FridgeSeal 5y ago
      That doesn’t make it at all acceptable for them to treat the people that work there the way they do. Doing so makes you at least complicit in that, and at most an active perpetuator of it.
      - eru 5y ago
        > Doing so makes you at least complicit in that, and at most an active perpetuator of it. Doing what? And who is 'you' in that sentence?
- wpietri 5y ago
  Worker exploitation and abuse happens in many industries and was once the norm. It is in society's interests to prevent systematized exploitation of society's members. "Consenting adults" is a fine heuristic for what happens in a private bedroom between individuals with equal power. It does not apply to for-profit exploitation done by organizations with special legal privileges. Privileges they have only because we see commerce as generally beneficial and to be encouraged.
  - eru 5y ago
    > Worker exploitation and abuse happens in many industries and was once the norm. What do you mean by exploitation? When was it the norm and where?
    - wpietri 5y ago
      Sorry, there's no way I'm spoon-feeding you the whole history of labor. Maybe read Loomis's "A History of America in Ten Strikes" as a starting point. And then maybe Beckert's "Empire of Cotton" for the broader, systemic view.