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>'biological sex', which is not an arbitrary social structure. it's still a potentially dangerous shorthand for typical normative and often simply assumed deve

>'biological sex', which is not an arbitrary social structure. it's still a potentially dangerous shorthand for typical normative and often simply assumed development that deviates more often than assumed, especially because we only really detect and diagnose it if it causes severe issues as "intersex". Also, gender and gender expression are not the same. The gender expression of a stone butch is pretty masculine, but their gender is not male. > age is not an arbitrary social structure That's not the reason age and gender are different. Both are relevant for how we treat people, but gender, at least with our current social assumptions, is an exclusive or, while old people have already been young.

s1artibartfast 5y ago
>Both are relevant for how we treat people, but gender, at least with our current social assumptions, is an exclusive or, while old people have already been young. How do you reconcile this with fluid genders and non-binary genders?
- sascha_sl 5y ago
  I did. >at least with our current social assumptions Recognition of gender outside the binary is the exception rather than the rule, and people all around you make assumptions all the time that you can't correct. It's just descriptive of material circumstances that nonbinary people will face ignorance. We've made some progress, but it's slow. As a non-binary trans woman, it is absolutely common to have a "fallback binary gender" you'd rather be associated with facing this. You know, for casual encounters, when you don't feel like explaining yourself in detail. Or when accessing trans healthcare, which is often very binary and gatekeepy of everything else (for instance, in Germany you often get denied HRT with F64.8 "Other gender identity disorders", only F64.0 "Transsexualism" is eligible) Funnily enough, TERFs often want trans people to simply pretend like these conditions do not exist, and that it is their personal responsibility as non-cis people to further gender abolitionism (while they still suggest sex is an immutable super important thing).

s1artibartfast 5y ago

>Both are relevant for how we treat people, but gender, at least with our current social assumptions, is an exclusive or, while old people have already been young. How do you reconcile this with fluid genders and non-binary genders?

sascha_sl 5y ago
I did. >at least with our current social assumptions Recognition of gender outside the binary is the exception rather than the rule, and people all around you make assumptions all the time that you can't correct. It's just descriptive of material circumstances that nonbinary people will face ignorance. We've made some progress, but it's slow. As a non-binary trans woman, it is absolutely common to have a "fallback binary gender" you'd rather be associated with facing this. You know, for casual encounters, when you don't feel like explaining yourself in detail. Or when accessing trans healthcare, which is often very binary and gatekeepy of everything else (for instance, in Germany you often get denied HRT with F64.8 "Other gender identity disorders", only F64.0 "Transsexualism" is eligible) Funnily enough, TERFs often want trans people to simply pretend like these conditions do not exist, and that it is their personal responsibility as non-cis people to further gender abolitionism (while they still suggest sex is an immutable super important thing).