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Stanford Professor Garry Nolan Is Analyzing Anomalous Materials from UFO Crashes

20 points by madspindel 5y ago

codingpanic 5y ago
I never thought in my life there would be a serious article on a scientist talking about unknown objects discharging molten metal. Never mind in the same article on research on directed EMF causing Havana Syndrome, or mentioning skinwalker ranch in the same paragraph… Pandemics. People with Mysterious Brain Diseases. UAPs being talked about seriously. WTF has the world come to?
- throwaway29303 5y ago
  I share the same feelings. I think we've been witnessing a generational, technological and social transition in the past 10 or so years. I do not wish to add more fuel to the fire but judging by what I read (and crossing them in several different ways) I believe this is a MISO (Military Information Support Operations) disguised and foreshadowing the next war (or maybe we're already in it albeit in a very mild form). I just hope I'm wrong and that it's just noise.
- gus_massa 5y ago
  Note that being a scientist does not ensure he is right. It only means that he got some training in some scientific field, published a few articles and someone hired him in a scientific position. More details in https://profiles.stanford.edu/garry-nolan https://profiles.stanford.edu/garry-nolan He studied biology, but biology is a very wide area. He studies some tiny area of biology, looking at the profile it looks like some parts of animals and cancer, but nothing about plants IIUC. It looks relevant for the discussion about brain damage, but not for the discussion about weird metals. Anyway, I don't see anything about these topics in the published peer review papers. So it's just an opinion, like yours or mine. (And anyway, not all peer review articles are good, some journals are very bad, but that's another can of worms.) He probably has a tenure position, so it's very difficult to fire him. Perhaps he is very good in his area, but has a weird side projects. If he does not make some extremely outraging claims, nobody will fire him.
  - sterlind 5y ago
    Specifically, he seems to specialize in building assay equipment for cellular biology, so there's overlap with physics. He seems like he'd have the skills to analyze weird materials and MRIs. Entirely possible his weird side projects are wrong, but seeing smart people tackle the weirdness of UFOlogy is fun, even if they're on the wrong track.
rhema 5y ago
I'm still convinced that "Havana Syndrome" is just CIA officers feeling bad about what they do or who they work for. This used to be called "regret" or "having a conscience". The recordings that "diplomats" made of buzzing noises turned out not to be secret spy tech, but crickets in heat.
rotexo 5y ago
Is there really no feasible natural explanation for inhomogeneities in stable magnesium isotopes in materials such as those found in, say, meteorites? How frequently do scientists do such fine-grained nanoSIMS analysis of materials containing magnesium? If the answer is “not at all frequently,” is it possible that this is within the boundaries of natural variation in these materials? I want to believe, I’m just a bit frustrated by the lack of context presented alongside this interview.
throwaway29303 5y ago
There's a thing that's often used in biology called structure function. Sometimes, if you can just see the structure you can understand the function. I can look at a heart and watch a little bit of how it moves and understand that's the function. This is interesting, reminds me of "Form follows function."[0] [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_follows_function https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_follows_function
d1lanka 5y ago
Honestly, I'm not afraid of aliens as long as we have Will Smith on our team.
pengaru 5y ago
What am I missing? I skimmed the linked PDF @ [0] and it doesn't paint a picture remotely resembling what's being described in the VICE article: "We see that the isotopic compositions of these four specimens are indistinguishable: the isotopic composition of the Brazil magnesium is clearly compatible with terrestrial origin." Is there another paper documenting the nanoSIMS analysis? [0] https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.557.5849&rep=rep1&type=pdf https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.55...
- enoreyes 5y ago
  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0376042121000907 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03760...

20 points by madspindel 5y ago

I never thought in my life there would be a serious article on a scientist talking about unknown objects discharging molten metal. Never mind in the same article on research on directed EMF causing Havana Syndrome, or mentioning skinwalker ranch in the same paragraph… Pandemics. People with Mysterious Brain Diseases. UAPs being talked about seriously. WTF has the world come to?

throwaway29303 5y ago
I share the same feelings. I think we've been witnessing a generational, technological and social transition in the past 10 or so years. I do not wish to add more fuel to the fire but judging by what I read (and crossing them in several different ways) I believe this is a MISO (Military Information Support Operations) disguised and foreshadowing the next war (or maybe we're already in it albeit in a very mild form). I just hope I'm wrong and that it's just noise.
gus_massa 5y ago
Note that being a scientist does not ensure he is right. It only means that he got some training in some scientific field, published a few articles and someone hired him in a scientific position. More details in https://profiles.stanford.edu/garry-nolan https://profiles.stanford.edu/garry-nolan He studied biology, but biology is a very wide area. He studies some tiny area of biology, looking at the profile it looks like some parts of animals and cancer, but nothing about plants IIUC. It looks relevant for the discussion about brain damage, but not for the discussion about weird metals. Anyway, I don't see anything about these topics in the published peer review papers. So it's just an opinion, like yours or mine. (And anyway, not all peer review articles are good, some journals are very bad, but that's another can of worms.) He probably has a tenure position, so it's very difficult to fire him. Perhaps he is very good in his area, but has a weird side projects. If he does not make some extremely outraging claims, nobody will fire him.
- sterlind 5y ago
  Specifically, he seems to specialize in building assay equipment for cellular biology, so there's overlap with physics. He seems like he'd have the skills to analyze weird materials and MRIs. Entirely possible his weird side projects are wrong, but seeing smart people tackle the weirdness of UFOlogy is fun, even if they're on the wrong track.

rhema 5y ago

I'm still convinced that "Havana Syndrome" is just CIA officers feeling bad about what they do or who they work for. This used to be called "regret" or "having a conscience". The recordings that "diplomats" made of buzzing noises turned out not to be secret spy tech, but crickets in heat.

rotexo 5y ago

Is there really no feasible natural explanation for inhomogeneities in stable magnesium isotopes in materials such as those found in, say, meteorites? How frequently do scientists do such fine-grained nanoSIMS analysis of materials containing magnesium? If the answer is “not at all frequently,” is it possible that this is within the boundaries of natural variation in these materials? I want to believe, I’m just a bit frustrated by the lack of context presented alongside this interview.

throwaway29303 5y ago

There's a thing that's often used in biology called structure function. Sometimes, if you can just see the structure you can understand the function. I can look at a heart and watch a little bit of how it moves and understand that's the function. This is interesting, reminds me of "Form follows function."[0] [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_follows_function https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_follows_function

d1lanka 5y ago

Honestly, I'm not afraid of aliens as long as we have Will Smith on our team.

pengaru 5y ago

What am I missing? I skimmed the linked PDF @ [0] and it doesn't paint a picture remotely resembling what's being described in the VICE article: "We see that the isotopic compositions of these four specimens are indistinguishable: the isotopic composition of the Brazil magnesium is clearly compatible with terrestrial origin." Is there another paper documenting the nanoSIMS analysis? [0] https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.557.5849&rep=rep1&type=pdf https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.55...

enoreyes 5y ago
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0376042121000907 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03760...