>> For doctors, that pay is well deserved given the exorbitant student loans that doctors carry, and the ridiculous shift length and other work related issues.

>> For doctors, that pay is well deserved given the exorbitant student loans that doctors carry, and the ridiculous shift length and other work related issues. Disagree on many, many counts. - do you know many specialists? Ridiculous hours are not part of the picture post-residency! - deserved why? On the basis of what? More than a taxi driver who works long hours? A convenience store worker who works long hours? - student loans are not that hard to pay off at US (medical) salaries! There are surgical specialities where the average pay is north of $500k. Family medicine and pediatrics make a lot less. >> Convert hospitals to non-profit operations owned by a single-payer insurance and immediately save a lot of costs across the entire board - converting hospitals to non profits isn’t going to do much because most are already not for profit. - you save money with single payer (ideally) by paying lower prices… which is my original point. There is administrative bloat and burden in the system but it’s on the order of 10% of spending, not 40%. And, just to be clear, you have to administer hospitals in single payer too so you don’t get rid of those costs entirely. I can support single payer, but I support it to pay lower prices to doctors and hospitals (and pharma, but as I noted above that’s not a big slice of the pie either).