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As I am writing this comment my 2017 macbook is spinning fans, as if it is doing protein folding.. and it has like 3 tabs open on chrome. And for what? to edit

As I am writing this comment my 2017 macbook is spinning fans, as if it is doing protein folding.. and it has like 3 tabs open on chrome. And for what? to edit a text box? There are new capabilities around encryption and encoding, things like h265 and etc, which of course help with medical diagnostics and such. I would take c64 software any time, look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROr8JhilPhI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROr8JhilPhI its from 1983. Imagine what kind of software would the people from 1980s write if they just had a raspberry pi 4 to work with..

philipkglass 5y ago
On the C64 text was PETSCII [1]. On your Mac in Chrome it's Unicode. Running a basic multilingual plane text editor on the C64 is probably impossible due to RAM constraints. Even with a RAM expansion and imagining it had a framebuffer I'm doubtful that the C64 could edit Unicode text at interactive speeds. In the 1980s only a small portion of the developed world's population used home computers. Today the majority of people use computing devices. Most of them use languages that cannot be represented with PETSCII or ASCII. It's amazing what motivated people can do with low power machines, but let's not forget how going back to the 1980s would discard valuable capabilities as well as bloat. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETSCII https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETSCII
- emptyparadise 5y ago
  Maybe C64 is out, but do you really think we need all the bloat of today to support Unicode text?
sebular 5y ago
People from the 1980s are still alive and they’re not making anything more impressive than anyone else. These people weren’t magicians only held back by a lack of computer power, they were (again, “are”) regular people trying to maximize their output given their resources. Let’s say you go back and hand a powerful computer to them. What would Mac Paint look like? I’m sure it would have colors (assuming you also have them a monitor), probably a lot more of those goofy and useless textured fills nobody wants, layers, probably some filters, higher resolutions, and probably simple brush strokes. But do you really think they would manage to implement any of the seriously impressive features that modern Photoshop has? Content aware fill? AI upscaling? Of course not. It would probably take them a long time to get smart selection working in a halfway decent manner.
JiNCMG 5y ago
"my 2017 macbook is spinning fans, as ... like 3 tabs open on chrome" Chrome might be your issue. Doing the same on on a 2015 MacbookPro and it's silent... Firefox.
vinkelhake 5y ago
> And for what? Honest question here: have you actually tried to find the answer to that question? As I'm writing this comment, my 2019 Pixelbook Go is quiet. It's a fanless design, so it being quiet is normal, but it is also not running hot. I've got around 30 tabs open, a few terminals, Emacs, and some other stuff running. So back to my question - have you looked into what is actually going on in your machine? Dust in the fans?

philipkglass 5y ago

On the C64 text was PETSCII [1]. On your Mac in Chrome it's Unicode. Running a basic multilingual plane text editor on the C64 is probably impossible due to RAM constraints. Even with a RAM expansion and imagining it had a framebuffer I'm doubtful that the C64 could edit Unicode text at interactive speeds. In the 1980s only a small portion of the developed world's population used home computers. Today the majority of people use computing devices. Most of them use languages that cannot be represented with PETSCII or ASCII. It's amazing what motivated people can do with low power machines, but let's not forget how going back to the 1980s would discard valuable capabilities as well as bloat. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETSCII https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETSCII

emptyparadise 5y ago
Maybe C64 is out, but do you really think we need all the bloat of today to support Unicode text?

sebular 5y ago

People from the 1980s are still alive and they’re not making anything more impressive than anyone else. These people weren’t magicians only held back by a lack of computer power, they were (again, “are”) regular people trying to maximize their output given their resources. Let’s say you go back and hand a powerful computer to them. What would Mac Paint look like? I’m sure it would have colors (assuming you also have them a monitor), probably a lot more of those goofy and useless textured fills nobody wants, layers, probably some filters, higher resolutions, and probably simple brush strokes. But do you really think they would manage to implement any of the seriously impressive features that modern Photoshop has? Content aware fill? AI upscaling? Of course not. It would probably take them a long time to get smart selection working in a halfway decent manner.

JiNCMG 5y ago

"my 2017 macbook is spinning fans, as ... like 3 tabs open on chrome" Chrome might be your issue. Doing the same on on a 2015 MacbookPro and it's silent... Firefox.

vinkelhake 5y ago

> And for what? Honest question here: have you actually tried to find the answer to that question? As I'm writing this comment, my 2019 Pixelbook Go is quiet. It's a fanless design, so it being quiet is normal, but it is also not running hot. I've got around 30 tabs open, a few terminals, Emacs, and some other stuff running. So back to my question - have you looked into what is actually going on in your machine? Dust in the fans?