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> he can absolve both himself and his team of responsibility. Everything up until this sentence makes sense in a twisted sort of way, but that's the part I don

> he can absolve both himself and his team of responsibility. Everything up until this sentence makes sense in a twisted sort of way, but that's the part I don't get. When did we absolve companies from their choice of vendors? If I buy a service and that service does not work then the company selling that service does not get to blame their vendors, that they chose, just like they don't get to blame individual devs that they hired.

ksec 5y ago
>When did we absolve companies from their choice of vendors? >just like they don't get to blame individual devs that they hired. When the vendors become a symbol, a public utility status or practically the only choice. And this isn't a Tech company thing. It can be applied to all other industry. You can fire and hire another Dev. If you are looking at cloud vendor, you only have AWS, Azure and GCP to choose. For lots of reason the latter two may not be an option due to competition or features. And AWS is the best you can get, are you sure the Dev they have are the best they can hire?
- SahAssar 5y ago
  > a symbol, a public utility status or practically the only choice The first, I can agree with, but the latter two are definitely not the case. If they were a public utility they would be regulated as one and if they were they only choice there would not be companies online during these outages. The site you are writing this on is an example, an online service with a pretty large (although not massive) following that is online enough to be the place where all the people who work at companies that depend on cloud services come to discuss their outages.
  - ksec 5y ago
    >Public Utility It is not whether they are one as in business or one as in politics that has to be regulated. They are utility like as people treated it as one and it behaves as one. Many things goes down with it with AWS just like many things goes down with the grid. HN is comparatively tiny and simple. Doesn't requires any of the features on AWS. And has no reliability requirements like SaaS. HN doesn't even use CDN. Even though I am not a cloud advocate for 99% of cases it makes zero sense to build a SaaS with your own Server.
greedo 5y ago
The company trusts the CTO; the CTO trusts AWS, and if AWS goes down, he can deflect responsibility onto AWS. The other C-Suite officers are largely ignorant about tech (that's why they have a CTO), and nod their heads.

ksec 5y ago

>When did we absolve companies from their choice of vendors? >just like they don't get to blame individual devs that they hired. When the vendors become a symbol, a public utility status or practically the only choice. And this isn't a Tech company thing. It can be applied to all other industry. You can fire and hire another Dev. If you are looking at cloud vendor, you only have AWS, Azure and GCP to choose. For lots of reason the latter two may not be an option due to competition or features. And AWS is the best you can get, are you sure the Dev they have are the best they can hire?

SahAssar 5y ago
> a symbol, a public utility status or practically the only choice The first, I can agree with, but the latter two are definitely not the case. If they were a public utility they would be regulated as one and if they were they only choice there would not be companies online during these outages. The site you are writing this on is an example, an online service with a pretty large (although not massive) following that is online enough to be the place where all the people who work at companies that depend on cloud services come to discuss their outages.
- ksec 5y ago
  >Public Utility It is not whether they are one as in business or one as in politics that has to be regulated. They are utility like as people treated it as one and it behaves as one. Many things goes down with it with AWS just like many things goes down with the grid. HN is comparatively tiny and simple. Doesn't requires any of the features on AWS. And has no reliability requirements like SaaS. HN doesn't even use CDN. Even though I am not a cloud advocate for 99% of cases it makes zero sense to build a SaaS with your own Server.

greedo 5y ago

The company trusts the CTO; the CTO trusts AWS, and if AWS goes down, he can deflect responsibility onto AWS. The other C-Suite officers are largely ignorant about tech (that's why they have a CTO), and nod their heads.