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He is a great demagogue but his Congressional record indicates he is not so good at dealmaking. I think he would have been a progressive Perot that got angry a

He is a great demagogue but his Congressional record indicates he is not so good at dealmaking. I think he would have been a progressive Perot that got angry a lot but those tantrums would lead to great sound bites. Or TLDR if you're not going to get good at making sausage stop applying for positions at the sausage factory.

ch4s3 5y ago
> TLDR if you're not going to get good at making sausage stop applying for positions at the sausage factory. This is 100% a perfect distillation of a great criticism of Sanders from the left and on merits. I think it's often also undersold how often he's been terribly wrong about foreign policy in the past and how he almost never walks it back.
nebula8804 5y ago
There are a lot of things you can do at the executive level that recent administration don't have the guts to do. Declare a medical emergency on account of COVID-19 and bam, there is a provision in the laws that allows you to expand medicare to the entire population. That alone would guarantee re-election. Free all non-violent marijuana prisoners, Forgive student debt. That alone would be a boost to the economy as a generation saddled with debt would get a reset. There are more he could do by executive order that can bypass congress. He will be attacked, but so what? The population overwhelming wants these proposals anyway.
- varelse 5y ago
  I think you deeply underestimate the influence of the corporate media in influencing the opinions of the masses. But apparently America went through something like this right after the Civil War where everyone had an opinion on everything and all that led to was corporations amassing power for a half century.
  - nebula8804 5y ago
    That affects you when trying to get elected. I'd argue a strong candidate who takes no BS is something that the people are clamoring for. Trump fit that bill to an extant but he was an idiot and a bigot. He had a real opportunity to enact real change but he blew it.
    - varelse 5y ago
      Sure I would love a truth-telling candidate. But no existing party machine will accept such a candidate and even if elected no existing party will work with such a candidate. And in the unlikely event you create a genuine third party, the current two parties will drop all their differences to destroy that party.

ch4s3 5y ago

> TLDR if you're not going to get good at making sausage stop applying for positions at the sausage factory. This is 100% a perfect distillation of a great criticism of Sanders from the left and on merits. I think it's often also undersold how often he's been terribly wrong about foreign policy in the past and how he almost never walks it back.

nebula8804 5y ago

There are a lot of things you can do at the executive level that recent administration don't have the guts to do. Declare a medical emergency on account of COVID-19 and bam, there is a provision in the laws that allows you to expand medicare to the entire population. That alone would guarantee re-election. Free all non-violent marijuana prisoners, Forgive student debt. That alone would be a boost to the economy as a generation saddled with debt would get a reset. There are more he could do by executive order that can bypass congress. He will be attacked, but so what? The population overwhelming wants these proposals anyway.

varelse 5y ago
I think you deeply underestimate the influence of the corporate media in influencing the opinions of the masses. But apparently America went through something like this right after the Civil War where everyone had an opinion on everything and all that led to was corporations amassing power for a half century.
- nebula8804 5y ago
  That affects you when trying to get elected. I'd argue a strong candidate who takes no BS is something that the people are clamoring for. Trump fit that bill to an extant but he was an idiot and a bigot. He had a real opportunity to enact real change but he blew it.
  - varelse 5y ago
    Sure I would love a truth-telling candidate. But no existing party machine will accept such a candidate and even if elected no existing party will work with such a candidate. And in the unlikely event you create a genuine third party, the current two parties will drop all their differences to destroy that party.