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>These two categories overlap but are not the same. This is a problem of asking a yes/no question to about access to a vague category that contains thousands of

>These two categories overlap but are not the same. This is a problem of asking a yes/no question to about access to a vague category that contains thousands of services. This is the subjectivity of politics in a nutshell. Well written. >This relates to your post in that you can't fact check imprecise claims that mean different things to different listeners. Let me even propose more what should the immigration number be? This is a bit of a bigger issue in my country but lets stick with USA. It's around 1 million new legal immigrants a year. If I say it should be 750,000 vs you say it should be 1.5 million. There is no way to say what is correct. What happens in my country? Anyone who thinks we should have less immigration is literally a white supremacist. Even just side line: https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1223727977361338370?s=20 https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1223727977361338370?s=20 February 2020, Trump took the plan from Obama's playbook to restrict travel from China. For which he was called xenophobic and fear mongering. Even just looking to stop travel because of covid, not even just reducing immigrant and he's called xenophobic. Hindsight 20/20 Biden looks very bad here because he himself has now done the same thing that Trump did. What's the misinformation here? Should we be looking to censor something?

s1artibartfast 5y ago
>If I say it should be 750,000 vs you say it should be 1.5 million. There is no way to say what is correct. Even this would be a vast improvement in over the current debate: is immigration good or bad. At least you can start to have a reasonable conversation about a number, why you support it, and what the results would be. Further, there are different types of immigrants. Some are skilled workers, refugees, and yes, even criminals. Should the number be the same for all? when someone simply says it is good/more. what does that mean? 2 million, 10 million, ect? >What's the misinformation here? Should we be looking to censor something? When there are no details, there is no information, and if there is no information, how can there be misinformation?
frenchyatwork 5y ago
Do you know how in school, if you cool and you got a funny haircut people thought you were a trend-setter; but if you were a dork, it just make you even more dorky? This is how it is with adults as well. People already thought Trump was xenophobic, and Trump himself even played up the stereotype, since it was politically useful; so anything that could be interpreted as xenophobic, was. People don't think Biden is xenophobic, so they look for alternative explanations instead.
- sleepysysadmin 5y ago
  >People already thought Trump was xenophobic, and Trump himself even played up the stereotype, since it was politically useful; so anything that could be interpreted as xenophobic, was. People don't think Biden is xenophobic, so they look for alternative explanations instead. Putting aside the horrendous worldwide result that Biden and friends caused by calling Trump xenophobic. Most likely delaying and or preventing similar travel restrictions until it's too late. Imagine what would have happened if Biden agreed saying Trump should do more lockdowns. What if Tam and Singh in Canada also didn't call Trump xenophobic and recommended we close the borders. Would north america be a much better place covidwise? Also yes, trump doesnt play it up persay but simply shows how toxic the democrats are. How many people are simply fed up with being called racist by the democrats over and over and over? Everytime Biden or similar calls Trump names, they lose voters.

s1artibartfast 5y ago

>If I say it should be 750,000 vs you say it should be 1.5 million. There is no way to say what is correct. Even this would be a vast improvement in over the current debate: is immigration good or bad. At least you can start to have a reasonable conversation about a number, why you support it, and what the results would be. Further, there are different types of immigrants. Some are skilled workers, refugees, and yes, even criminals. Should the number be the same for all? when someone simply says it is good/more. what does that mean? 2 million, 10 million, ect? >What's the misinformation here? Should we be looking to censor something? When there are no details, there is no information, and if there is no information, how can there be misinformation?

frenchyatwork 5y ago

Do you know how in school, if you cool and you got a funny haircut people thought you were a trend-setter; but if you were a dork, it just make you even more dorky? This is how it is with adults as well. People already thought Trump was xenophobic, and Trump himself even played up the stereotype, since it was politically useful; so anything that could be interpreted as xenophobic, was. People don't think Biden is xenophobic, so they look for alternative explanations instead.

sleepysysadmin 5y ago
>People already thought Trump was xenophobic, and Trump himself even played up the stereotype, since it was politically useful; so anything that could be interpreted as xenophobic, was. People don't think Biden is xenophobic, so they look for alternative explanations instead. Putting aside the horrendous worldwide result that Biden and friends caused by calling Trump xenophobic. Most likely delaying and or preventing similar travel restrictions until it's too late. Imagine what would have happened if Biden agreed saying Trump should do more lockdowns. What if Tam and Singh in Canada also didn't call Trump xenophobic and recommended we close the borders. Would north america be a much better place covidwise? Also yes, trump doesnt play it up persay but simply shows how toxic the democrats are. How many people are simply fed up with being called racist by the democrats over and over and over? Everytime Biden or similar calls Trump names, they lose voters.