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Yep. 100% this. After 2016, i went from getting "oh you radical crazy commie" looks wearing a wikileaks shirt to immediately "oh you're a republican, let me gu

by elif 5y ago

Yep. 100% this. After 2016, i went from getting "oh you radical crazy commie" looks wearing a wikileaks shirt to immediately "oh you're a republican, let me guess you listen to alex jones and joe rogan?"

alexvoda 5y ago
I believe somewhere in here lies a fundamental problem with today's society. We have reached an absurd level of polarization. Any opinion you hold that is in contradiction with someone else's opinion, qualifies you for membership of the opposing camp. We should really work on depolarisation.
- user743 5y ago
  The establishment is the enemy, not each other. Also, I'm not sure where this "keep friends and family separate from business" idealogy came from, but business is just organizing production. If we're not going to try to hold those keys with our friends and family, then elites will hold them for us. Side note-no actual progress can come until there is sound money again.
  - TakuYam 5y ago
    > The establishment is the enemy, not each other. The problem with the premise that the establishment is a lot like The Matrix. Some people are so hopelessly enamoured with the establishment that they will do whatever it takes to defend it.
  - Jcowell 5y ago
    This just seems like another polarization to me. Other people CAN be the enemy. Racist and White Supremacists are the enemy, especially to me. Now how we treat and decide to combat our enemies is a while other matter.
AnthonyMouse 5y ago
> After 2016, i went from getting "oh you radical crazy commie" looks wearing a wikileaks shirt to immediately "oh you're a republican, let me guess you listen to alex jones and joe rogan?" The flip side of this is that we're apparently focusing on the wrong things. Assange was prosecuted under Trump, now he's being prosecuted under Biden. Who were we realistically supposed to vote for in order to make this stop? If this is the only front then we lost before there was even a vote.
- cwkoss 5y ago
  The US effectively has one party with two costumes.
  - AnthonyMouse 5y ago
    That's not it. There are meaningful differences. Which party represents the oil industry? Which party represents Hollywood? It's not the same party. The real problem is, which party represents the finance industry? Both of them. Which party is the party of small business? Neither of them. Strong antitrust enforcement? Reducing the scope of wasteful bureaucracy, as distinct from regulatory capture? It's not on the ballot. How do we fix it? Maybe start here: https://www.starvoting.us/ https://www.starvoting.us/
    - monocasa 5y ago
      > Which party represents the oil industry? https://theintercept.com/2016/10/10/clinton-fracking-theworld/ https://theintercept.com/2016/10/10/clinton-fracking-theworl... https://www.salon.com/2016/10/18/leaked-email-hillary-clinton-told-radical-environmentalists-to-get-a-life-defended-fracking-and-pipelines/ https://www.salon.com/2016/10/18/leaked-email-hillary-clinto... It's both, just the voters don't get told that.

by elif 5y ago

alexvoda 5y ago

I believe somewhere in here lies a fundamental problem with today's society. We have reached an absurd level of polarization. Any opinion you hold that is in contradiction with someone else's opinion, qualifies you for membership of the opposing camp. We should really work on depolarisation.

user743 5y ago
The establishment is the enemy, not each other. Also, I'm not sure where this "keep friends and family separate from business" idealogy came from, but business is just organizing production. If we're not going to try to hold those keys with our friends and family, then elites will hold them for us. Side note-no actual progress can come until there is sound money again.
- TakuYam 5y ago
  > The establishment is the enemy, not each other. The problem with the premise that the establishment is a lot like The Matrix. Some people are so hopelessly enamoured with the establishment that they will do whatever it takes to defend it.
- Jcowell 5y ago
  This just seems like another polarization to me. Other people CAN be the enemy. Racist and White Supremacists are the enemy, especially to me. Now how we treat and decide to combat our enemies is a while other matter.

AnthonyMouse 5y ago

> After 2016, i went from getting "oh you radical crazy commie" looks wearing a wikileaks shirt to immediately "oh you're a republican, let me guess you listen to alex jones and joe rogan?" The flip side of this is that we're apparently focusing on the wrong things. Assange was prosecuted under Trump, now he's being prosecuted under Biden. Who were we realistically supposed to vote for in order to make this stop? If this is the only front then we lost before there was even a vote.

cwkoss 5y ago
The US effectively has one party with two costumes.
- AnthonyMouse 5y ago
  That's not it. There are meaningful differences. Which party represents the oil industry? Which party represents Hollywood? It's not the same party. The real problem is, which party represents the finance industry? Both of them. Which party is the party of small business? Neither of them. Strong antitrust enforcement? Reducing the scope of wasteful bureaucracy, as distinct from regulatory capture? It's not on the ballot. How do we fix it? Maybe start here: https://www.starvoting.us/ https://www.starvoting.us/
  - monocasa 5y ago
    > Which party represents the oil industry? https://theintercept.com/2016/10/10/clinton-fracking-theworld/ https://theintercept.com/2016/10/10/clinton-fracking-theworl... https://www.salon.com/2016/10/18/leaked-email-hillary-clinton-told-radical-environmentalists-to-get-a-life-defended-fracking-and-pipelines/ https://www.salon.com/2016/10/18/leaked-email-hillary-clinto... It's both, just the voters don't get told that.