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A lot of people in car forums are super upset about this and angry with their specific automaker. But of course, it is happening to all of them that haven't mo

by OldHand2018 5y ago

A lot of people in car forums are super upset about this and angry with their specific automaker. But of course, it is happening to all of them that haven't moved off of 3G. https://www.toyota.com/audio-multimedia/support/3g-faq/ https://www.toyota.com/audio-multimedia/support/3g-faq/ https://lexus2.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10537/~/3g-wireless-services-update https://lexus2.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10537/~/... https://www.subaru.com/3g-network-retirement.html?SIE=9ad00c09f587b186b9b2e99c2c0fc542543c822d2068ec062cd6ad185c5e5934&delivery_id=1259273414 https://www.subaru.com/3g-network-retirement.html?SIE=9ad00c... Etc. https://autobala.com/how-3g-shutdown-in-2022-will-ruin-your-car/271169/ https://autobala.com/how-3g-shutdown-in-2022-will-ruin-your-... Amazing that Honda have current cars affected.

sircastor 5y ago
A few years back I got a handful of letters about getting my Nissan LEAF's radio updated from 2g to 3g. They wanted to charge me $200 USD for it. I didn't bother and it's ended up resulting in very little change for me - Mostly features I didn't really use. It's nice to know what just a few years later I'd be facing the same problem again.
- OldHand2018 5y ago
  I've been told that on my Subaru, if I subscribe to the services that need it, they will do the upgrade for free. But if I don't subscribe, they won't do it at all. I'm fine with that, I am unreasonably against subscriptions, lol.
  - jtbayly 5y ago
    I’m unreasonably against both subscriptions and cars having modems.
    - enos_feedler 5y ago
      I suppose thats fine if your car isn’t doing any of the driving. Otherwise I might want my car talking to the outside world.
- btgeekboy 5y ago
  Hey, look at the upside - “unplugging” your car from the Internet may make it more secure.
  - wlesieutre 5y ago
    In the Leaf's case, anyone with your VIN (ie anyone who can walk up to you car and look through the windshield) could turn on your car's AC over the internet and run the battery down. Whoops. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/02/nissans-connected-car-app-offline-after-shocking-vulnerability-revealed/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/02/nissans-connected-car-a...
    - rootsudo 5y ago
      That is interesting, you can walk through all the VINs since it's not really private. Sure, someone could walk up to your leaf and target you, but much easier to run through the entire string of VIN's, which, is 17 characters. GET https://[redacted].com/orchestration_1111/gdc/BatteryStatusRecordsRequest.php?RegionCode=NE&lg=no-NO&DCMID=&VIN=SJNFAAZE0U60XXXXX&tz=Europe/Paris&TimeFrom=2014-09-27T09:15:21 https://[redacted].com/orchestration_1111/gdc/BatteryStatusR... That's so cool, but also, no more. :) wonder what else is out there...
officeplant 5y ago
This reminds me of all the 90s luxury cars with analog cellular phones integrated into the center consoles quickly becoming useless in the 2000s. Except worse considering how much these systems are integrated into some cars.
- Snitch-Thursday 5y ago
  Not to be dumb - but I don't want my car to have cellular connectivity, so this opens up more car purchase options for me once 3G goes dark. Granted, that's a tiny influx of new customers, but still, there's at least 1 new customer as result of their decision to still use 3G.
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    In the EU new cars now are mandated to have an automatic way to call the emergency services after a crash, I wonder if the governments have a clause about what would happen if 3G is turned off (I guess they're not planning to do that for a while yet). If I were in power and I genuinely cared about saving the planet, I'd figure out how to make cars without this auto-emergency-dial system more expensive to insure; that way, people would look at newer cars more favorabily, and I'd incentivize electric cars as well. But hey, luckily the car lobby is still pretty strong in the France and Germany!
    - jtbayly 5y ago
      Why use such an indirect and backwards method? If you were in power, you could just tax non-green cars, rather than promote cars that become useless in 5 years when technology moves on.
      - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
        It's a balance between doing what you want and screwing people hard enough to get voted out or violently deposed (transition mechanism depends on the system of government in question).
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
The 3g phaseout arguably makes all those cars more secure.
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sircastor 5y ago

A few years back I got a handful of letters about getting my Nissan LEAF's radio updated from 2g to 3g. They wanted to charge me $200 USD for it. I didn't bother and it's ended up resulting in very little change for me - Mostly features I didn't really use. It's nice to know what just a few years later I'd be facing the same problem again.

OldHand2018 5y ago
I've been told that on my Subaru, if I subscribe to the services that need it, they will do the upgrade for free. But if I don't subscribe, they won't do it at all. I'm fine with that, I am unreasonably against subscriptions, lol.
- jtbayly 5y ago
  I’m unreasonably against both subscriptions and cars having modems.
  - enos_feedler 5y ago
    I suppose thats fine if your car isn’t doing any of the driving. Otherwise I might want my car talking to the outside world.
btgeekboy 5y ago
Hey, look at the upside - “unplugging” your car from the Internet may make it more secure.
- wlesieutre 5y ago
  In the Leaf's case, anyone with your VIN (ie anyone who can walk up to you car and look through the windshield) could turn on your car's AC over the internet and run the battery down. Whoops. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/02/nissans-connected-car-app-offline-after-shocking-vulnerability-revealed/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/02/nissans-connected-car-a...
  - rootsudo 5y ago
    That is interesting, you can walk through all the VINs since it's not really private. Sure, someone could walk up to your leaf and target you, but much easier to run through the entire string of VIN's, which, is 17 characters. GET https://[redacted].com/orchestration_1111/gdc/BatteryStatusRecordsRequest.php?RegionCode=NE&lg=no-NO&DCMID=&VIN=SJNFAAZE0U60XXXXX&tz=Europe/Paris&TimeFrom=2014-09-27T09:15:21 https://[redacted].com/orchestration_1111/gdc/BatteryStatusR... That's so cool, but also, no more. :) wonder what else is out there...

officeplant 5y ago

This reminds me of all the 90s luxury cars with analog cellular phones integrated into the center consoles quickly becoming useless in the 2000s. Except worse considering how much these systems are integrated into some cars.

Snitch-Thursday 5y ago
Not to be dumb - but I don't want my car to have cellular connectivity, so this opens up more car purchase options for me once 3G goes dark. Granted, that's a tiny influx of new customers, but still, there's at least 1 new customer as result of their decision to still use 3G.
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  In the EU new cars now are mandated to have an automatic way to call the emergency services after a crash, I wonder if the governments have a clause about what would happen if 3G is turned off (I guess they're not planning to do that for a while yet). If I were in power and I genuinely cared about saving the planet, I'd figure out how to make cars without this auto-emergency-dial system more expensive to insure; that way, people would look at newer cars more favorabily, and I'd incentivize electric cars as well. But hey, luckily the car lobby is still pretty strong in the France and Germany!
  - jtbayly 5y ago
    Why use such an indirect and backwards method? If you were in power, you could just tax non-green cars, rather than promote cars that become useless in 5 years when technology moves on.
    - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
      It's a balance between doing what you want and screwing people hard enough to get voted out or violently deposed (transition mechanism depends on the system of government in question).

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

The 3g phaseout arguably makes all those cars more secure.

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