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I suspect Assange does not want to be tortured and murdered and thus does not want this. Are you insane ?

by brandelune 5y ago

zepto 5y ago
I doubt the US intends to murder him.
- antihero 5y ago
  Except the time they were plotting to murder him, of course.
  - zepto 5y ago
    Yes, when he was a fugitive potentially in possession of state secrets. I’m not saying it’s ok - just that now he’s in custody it’s a little different.
- mmcwilliams 5y ago
  It might be the case right now but it came out earlier this year that the CIA was entertaining this idea in 2017. This [0] appears to be the originating story and there are corroborating accounts in many other outlets. [0] https://news.yahoo.com/kidnapping-assassination-and-a-london-shoot-out-inside-the-ci-as-secret-war-plans-against-wiki-leaks-090057786.html https://news.yahoo.com/kidnapping-assassination-and-a-london...
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > It might be the case right now but it came out earlier this year that the CIA was entertaining this idea in 2017. CIA, DoD, and lots of agencies “entertain” lots of ideas, and even develop plans, for lots of things that never get close to being policy.
    - kdomanski 5y ago
      Planning to commit a murder or a terrorist attack is a felony that will put an individual in prison for a long time.
      - dragonwriter 5y ago
        > Planning to commit a murder or a terrorist attack is a felony that will put an individual in prison for a long Unless it is with other people and, more critically, at least one of the people involved goes beyond planning and takes some concrete step to advance the execution of the plan (at which point it becomes the separate crime of conspiracy), no, planning a crime, even of that seriousness, is not itself a crime.
        legolas2412 5y ago
        Just writing death threat for the president online is a crime. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikram_Buddhi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikram_Buddhi No other concrete step is needed.
        dragonwriter 5y ago
        A threat is not the same as planning. Planning to kill someone is not a crime. Threatening to is, even if they aren't the President.
      - zepto 5y ago
        Yes, but whether it is a murder or not is decided in court, not by you. Not all assassination are murder.
- cmrdporcupine 5y ago
  They intend, fully, to make an example out of him. Why murder him when he's no threat to them anymore, and they can drag him through more hell for the next decade in order to show what happens when you cross the line?
  - zepto 5y ago
    They committed to letting him serve his prison term in Australia, if convicted.
    - dane-pgp 5y ago
      I'm afraid you may have fallen for the deliberately misleading words of the supposed assurances given by the US. Here's what the Guardian[0] says of that particular claim (with my emphasis): "and could apply, if convicted, to be transferred to a prison in Australia." My understanding is that his application could be denied, without any recourse, by the DoJ (of whichever administration is in power at the time), and probably by the Australian government too. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/dec/10/julian-assange-can-be-extradited-to-us-to-face-espionage-charges-court-rules https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/dec/10/julian-assange...
      - zepto 5y ago
        Ah, very weasely. I imagine any prisoner can apply to be transferred to a prison in another country.
- disambiguation 5y ago
  There are worse things than dying.
- josteink 5y ago
  > I doubt the US intends to murder him. And Epstein committed suicide. Right?
  - jonnybgood 5y ago
    How is Epstein at all relevant? I believe the conspiracy theory is around powerful people trying to keep their secrets secret. Meaning not let the US government know their secrets so they can avoid prosecution. So the US government would want Epstein alive. Why do you think the US government is prosecuting Ghislane Maxwell right now?
eof 5y ago
Not wanting what’s coming, and regretting his choices are not the same thing. He fought the good fight, I hope that’s worth something to him.
pelasaco 5y ago
From the article: "The US had offered four assurances, including that Mr Assange would not be subject to solitary confinement pre or post-trial or detained at the ADX Florence Supermax jail - a maximum security prison in Colorado - if extradited. Lawyers for the US said he would be allowed to transfer to Australia to serve any prison sentence he may be given closer to home. And they argued Mr Assange's mental illness "does not even come close" to being severe enough to prevent him from being extradited." So assuming that the international community cannot avoid his extradition, to make sure that those assurances are true and can be hold, would be already a win, no?
- adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
  the "assurances" had an unless we feel like it exemption.
- josteink 5y ago
  I’m sure Epstein was offered assurances as well. US assurances aren’t worth the toilet-paper they’re written on.
- JCharante 5y ago
  Well nobody has ever died while in custody of US law enforcement, so this seems reasonable
  - pelasaco 5y ago
    exactly, I'm not saying that it is perfect, but to keep comparing with Epstein and joking around won't help Julian Assange. Important is: if those Assurances could be documented and monitored by the international community, it is definitely great and TBH, would be better to Assange if he would have gotten something like that back in 2010.. he lost 10 years of his life in "prison", but it won't even be reduced from his sentence..
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      > he lost 10 years of his life in "prison", but it won't even be reduced from his sentence.. Totally his own fault. Neither the USA nor the UK told him to hole up in that embassy; he did that all on his own.

I suspect Assange does not want to be tortured and murdered and thus does not want this. Are you insane ?

zepto 5y ago

I doubt the US intends to murder him.

antihero 5y ago
Except the time they were plotting to murder him, of course.
- zepto 5y ago
  Yes, when he was a fugitive potentially in possession of state secrets. I’m not saying it’s ok - just that now he’s in custody it’s a little different.
mmcwilliams 5y ago
It might be the case right now but it came out earlier this year that the CIA was entertaining this idea in 2017. This [0] appears to be the originating story and there are corroborating accounts in many other outlets. [0] https://news.yahoo.com/kidnapping-assassination-and-a-london-shoot-out-inside-the-ci-as-secret-war-plans-against-wiki-leaks-090057786.html https://news.yahoo.com/kidnapping-assassination-and-a-london...
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > It might be the case right now but it came out earlier this year that the CIA was entertaining this idea in 2017. CIA, DoD, and lots of agencies “entertain” lots of ideas, and even develop plans, for lots of things that never get close to being policy.
  - kdomanski 5y ago
    Planning to commit a murder or a terrorist attack is a felony that will put an individual in prison for a long time.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > Planning to commit a murder or a terrorist attack is a felony that will put an individual in prison for a long Unless it is with other people and, more critically, at least one of the people involved goes beyond planning and takes some concrete step to advance the execution of the plan (at which point it becomes the separate crime of conspiracy), no, planning a crime, even of that seriousness, is not itself a crime.
      - legolas2412 5y ago
        Just writing death threat for the president online is a crime. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikram_Buddhi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikram_Buddhi No other concrete step is needed.
        dragonwriter 5y ago
        A threat is not the same as planning. Planning to kill someone is not a crime. Threatening to is, even if they aren't the President.
    - zepto 5y ago
      Yes, but whether it is a murder or not is decided in court, not by you. Not all assassination are murder.
cmrdporcupine 5y ago
They intend, fully, to make an example out of him. Why murder him when he's no threat to them anymore, and they can drag him through more hell for the next decade in order to show what happens when you cross the line?
- zepto 5y ago
  They committed to letting him serve his prison term in Australia, if convicted.
  - dane-pgp 5y ago
    I'm afraid you may have fallen for the deliberately misleading words of the supposed assurances given by the US. Here's what the Guardian[0] says of that particular claim (with my emphasis): "and could apply, if convicted, to be transferred to a prison in Australia." My understanding is that his application could be denied, without any recourse, by the DoJ (of whichever administration is in power at the time), and probably by the Australian government too. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/dec/10/julian-assange-can-be-extradited-to-us-to-face-espionage-charges-court-rules https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/dec/10/julian-assange...
    - zepto 5y ago
      Ah, very weasely. I imagine any prisoner can apply to be transferred to a prison in another country.
disambiguation 5y ago
There are worse things than dying.
josteink 5y ago
> I doubt the US intends to murder him. And Epstein committed suicide. Right?
- jonnybgood 5y ago
  How is Epstein at all relevant? I believe the conspiracy theory is around powerful people trying to keep their secrets secret. Meaning not let the US government know their secrets so they can avoid prosecution. So the US government would want Epstein alive. Why do you think the US government is prosecuting Ghislane Maxwell right now?

eof 5y ago

Not wanting what’s coming, and regretting his choices are not the same thing. He fought the good fight, I hope that’s worth something to him.

pelasaco 5y ago

From the article: "The US had offered four assurances, including that Mr Assange would not be subject to solitary confinement pre or post-trial or detained at the ADX Florence Supermax jail - a maximum security prison in Colorado - if extradited. Lawyers for the US said he would be allowed to transfer to Australia to serve any prison sentence he may be given closer to home. And they argued Mr Assange's mental illness "does not even come close" to being severe enough to prevent him from being extradited." So assuming that the international community cannot avoid his extradition, to make sure that those assurances are true and can be hold, would be already a win, no?

adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
the "assurances" had an unless we feel like it exemption.
josteink 5y ago
I’m sure Epstein was offered assurances as well. US assurances aren’t worth the toilet-paper they’re written on.
JCharante 5y ago
Well nobody has ever died while in custody of US law enforcement, so this seems reasonable
- pelasaco 5y ago
  exactly, I'm not saying that it is perfect, but to keep comparing with Epstein and joking around won't help Julian Assange. Important is: if those Assurances could be documented and monitored by the international community, it is definitely great and TBH, would be better to Assange if he would have gotten something like that back in 2010.. he lost 10 years of his life in "prison", but it won't even be reduced from his sentence..
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > he lost 10 years of his life in "prison", but it won't even be reduced from his sentence.. Totally his own fault. Neither the USA nor the UK told him to hole up in that embassy; he did that all on his own.