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Plenty of people get extradited from the US to face charges abroad. Sacoolas is more an exception than a rule. Likely the only reason why she would not be extra

Plenty of people get extradited from the US to face charges abroad. Sacoolas is more an exception than a rule. Likely the only reason why she would not be extradited is because she's a "diplomat" (aka a spook or the wife of a spook). It kinda sucks that the US protects members of its intelligence services from criminal charges abroad, but the fact that it does that is kinda irrelevant to whether other, unrelated extraditions should go forward. I have to admit though it would be interesting if the UK played a game of tit for tat here. We will extradite Assange, but only after you send us Sacoolas. But they probably won't because Assange being prosecuted is also in their national interest, whereas Sacoolas facing her charges has little bearing on UK national interests.

pydry 5y ago
>Plenty of people get extradited from the US to face charges abroad. Sure. People whom the US doesn't give a fuck about. "At their leisure" and "one rule for us; another for you" still applies. Sacoolas wasn't an exception in any meaningful sense. She is very much the rule.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
  I guess my point is that this goes for all countries. "Diplomats" are often not prosecuted or extradited for crimes committed abroad. It's not just the US that takes advantage of this system -- and I haven't even seen evidence that the US is an exception to the norm in this space. The "uses and abuses" section of the relevant page on Wikipedia has plenty of examples, and there are probably many more that don't make the news. It is not a novel thing and is basically irrelevant to whether Assange ought to be extradited.
  - Dah00n 5y ago
    How about a diplomats wife? They can clearly also escape extradition. It has nothing to do with what title you hold but if the US state gives a fuck or not.
    - akiselev 5y ago
      > It has nothing to do with what title you hold but if the US state gives a fuck or not. The US cares about US operatives because they have a job to do on behalf of the US. The operatives can't do their job if the host nation holds the prosecution of their spouse over their head. I think you may be under the false impression that the United States is unique in this regard but it's basic diplomacy as standardized by the Vienna Conventions on Diplomatic Relations [1] - Article 37 specifically. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Diplomatic_Relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Diplomati...
      - pydry 5y ago
        The Vienna convention was supposed to prevent trumped up crimes from being held over the heads of diplomats. It's conventional for the diplomatic immunity to be waived if an actual major crime took place as a gesture of good faith. The fact that the US doesnt do it here demonstrates just how little respect it has for the UK.

pydry 5y ago

>Plenty of people get extradited from the US to face charges abroad. Sure. People whom the US doesn't give a fuck about. "At their leisure" and "one rule for us; another for you" still applies. Sacoolas wasn't an exception in any meaningful sense. She is very much the rule.

asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
I guess my point is that this goes for all countries. "Diplomats" are often not prosecuted or extradited for crimes committed abroad. It's not just the US that takes advantage of this system -- and I haven't even seen evidence that the US is an exception to the norm in this space. The "uses and abuses" section of the relevant page on Wikipedia has plenty of examples, and there are probably many more that don't make the news. It is not a novel thing and is basically irrelevant to whether Assange ought to be extradited.
- Dah00n 5y ago
  How about a diplomats wife? They can clearly also escape extradition. It has nothing to do with what title you hold but if the US state gives a fuck or not.
  - akiselev 5y ago
    > It has nothing to do with what title you hold but if the US state gives a fuck or not. The US cares about US operatives because they have a job to do on behalf of the US. The operatives can't do their job if the host nation holds the prosecution of their spouse over their head. I think you may be under the false impression that the United States is unique in this regard but it's basic diplomacy as standardized by the Vienna Conventions on Diplomatic Relations [1] - Article 37 specifically. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Diplomatic_Relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Diplomati...
    - pydry 5y ago
      The Vienna convention was supposed to prevent trumped up crimes from being held over the heads of diplomats. It's conventional for the diplomatic immunity to be waived if an actual major crime took place as a gesture of good faith. The fact that the US doesnt do it here demonstrates just how little respect it has for the UK.